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re: ebikes https://grist.org/technology/as-e-bikes-grow-in-popularity-so-to-do-calls-for-safety-certification/ https://grist.org/technology/as-e-bikes-grow-in-

re: ebikes https://grist.org/technology/as-e-bikes-grow-in-popularity-so-to-do-calls-for-safety-certification/ https://grist.org/technology/as-e-bikes-grow-in-popularity-s... FTA: It also estimated that there were nearly 25,000 emergency room visits for e-bike injuries more broadly in 2022. The two-wheelers also have been involved in a spate of high-profile fatalities in recent years, especially in the Big Apple. -- in my opinion, ebike accidents are following the same pattern as motorcycle accidents pre-hurt report. make sense. From a road handling perspective, both vehicles are functionally identical. Singletrack, small contact patch, counter steering, navigation, situational awareness, and braking skills. It's long past time requiring a ebike driver's license showing that one has taken a skills focused training course like the MSF program.

dublinben 3y ago
That report is impressively vague about the cause and characteristic of these non-fatal injuries. The CPSC is obviously looking at this from a product safety lens, but that isn't necessarily the true picture from a holistic perspective. At least they're quite clear when it comes to the fatalities: >Collisions with motor vehicles were the leading cause of death associated with e-bikes >Motor vehicle accidents were the leading cause of death associated with e-scooters So is the potentially unsafe product we should be concerned about e-bikes and scooters? Or is it actually motor vehicles?
- rickydroll 3y ago
  The product we should be concerned with is the ebike operator In the quote below, the issues of loss of control, single bicycle accidents etc. all parallel the data found in the Hurt report on motorcycle accidents. Motorcycle riders were able to drop their accident and injury rate by better training of the rider. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ >Current research mainly analyzes injury-monitoring data. Studies have shown that 27.6% of fatal bicycle accidents in the Netherlands involved EB in 2017 [10]; in Israel, a total of 3686 hospitalized cases were related to EB during 2014–2019 and 84.92% oral and maxillofacial injuries were attributed to EB [11]; and in the United States, there were 130,000 ERTI cases from 2000 to 2017, accounting for 5.3% of the total number of injuries in the emergency department. Among them, 17% of EB caused serious injuries such as traumatic brain injury and internal hemorrhage [12]; in Switzerland, the incidence of ERTI is 17%, and the main causes of injuries are road skidding, riding too fast, and being unable to maintain balance [13]. Langford used GPS technology to analyze the safety behaviors of EB cyclists in a complex traffic environment. The results showed that violations of traffic lights and driving on motorways are high-frequency dangerous riding behaviors [14]. Haustein et al. conducted a questionnaire survey on EB users in Denmark, and the results showed that the riding attitude of cyclists has a significant impact on heavy ERTIs [15]. After analyzing the accident data recorded by the Swiss police in 2011 and 2012, Weber et al. found that ERTI was dominated by Single-Bicycle Crashes (SBCs) [16].
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jeffbee 3y ago
You're never going to believe how many emergency room visits are caused by cars (including virtually all of the "e-bike injuries").
- rickydroll 3y ago
  research backed data says otherwise. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/
  - jeffbee 3y ago
    Considering that the linked study doesn't even bother defining e-bike, and the study setting is China, I am unwilling to imbue the report with the meaning that you intend.
    - rickydroll 3y ago
      Increased injury severity and hospitalization rates following crashes with e-bikes versus conventional bicycles: an observational cohort study from a regional level II trauma center in Switzerland https://pssjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13037-022-00318-9 https://pssjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13037... Electric bicycles (e-bikes) are an increasingly common pediatric public health problem https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10372360/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10372360/ Must-Know E Bike Accident Statistics [Latest Report] https://blog.gitnux.com/e-bike-accident-statistics/ https://blog.gitnux.com/e-bike-accident-statistics/ look at solo bike accident rates. you will see this kinds of accident reports increase until we change how we train how people ride. for a bit of history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_findings_in_the_Hurt_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_findings_in_the_Hurt_R...
notthemessiah 3y ago
The fastest certified off-the-shelf e-bike goes to 28 mph and usually max out at 20mph, which is far below the usual speed of motorcycles. Of those 25,000 ER visits, very few are fatal, and of 1,260 bicyclist deaths in 2020, 806 were from collisions with vehicles. It seems cars are the problem, and this can easily be addressed by adding protected bike lanes and dedicated bike paths. By providing safe cycling routes, other countries such as the Netherlands have been able to see a large-scale transition from auto transportation to cycling with very few accidents, ebike or not. Compare these numbers with motor vehicles (especially how pedestrian deaths by motor vehicle are skyrocketing), and it's clear that our priorities should be placed on safe pedestrian and cycling infrastructure, not by regulating ebike usage. https://apnews.com/article/traffic-deaths-distracted-driving-crisis-6db6471e273b275920b6c4f9eb7e493b https://apnews.com/article/traffic-deaths-distracted-driving... https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184034017/us-pedestrian-deaths-high-traffic-car https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184034017/us-pedestrian-deat...
- rickydroll 3y ago
  To point, it doesn't matter how fast you going. If you follow the bike, you have a higher G Force just from the vertical drop. Your head and body don't decelerate that fast sliding forward. You will get the same amount of road rash if you fall off and e-bike or a motorcycle one at the same speed. Some hard data on the bike accidents and the kind of injuries that occur. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ then read the Hurt report The number 1 best way to reduce accidents between different kinds of vehicles is training people to drive consistently and predictably. Personally I think someone should not get a license to drive until they've shown have mastered driving three types of vehicles (singletrack, dual track light weight, dual track-heavyweight).
  - notthemessiah 3y ago
    What are you talking about? Your response ignores the most basic facts about physics (kinetic energy = (1/2)mv^2) and vehicular safety (speeding kills). And what do you mean by 3 types of vehicles? Did you have ChatGPT generate your response or something? https://nacto.org/publication/city-limits/the-need/speed-kills/ https://nacto.org/publication/city-limits/the-need/speed-kil...

dublinben 3y ago

That report is impressively vague about the cause and characteristic of these non-fatal injuries. The CPSC is obviously looking at this from a product safety lens, but that isn't necessarily the true picture from a holistic perspective. At least they're quite clear when it comes to the fatalities: >Collisions with motor vehicles were the leading cause of death associated with e-bikes >Motor vehicle accidents were the leading cause of death associated with e-scooters So is the potentially unsafe product we should be concerned about e-bikes and scooters? Or is it actually motor vehicles?

rickydroll 3y ago
The product we should be concerned with is the ebike operator In the quote below, the issues of loss of control, single bicycle accidents etc. all parallel the data found in the Hurt report on motorcycle accidents. Motorcycle riders were able to drop their accident and injury rate by better training of the rider. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ >Current research mainly analyzes injury-monitoring data. Studies have shown that 27.6% of fatal bicycle accidents in the Netherlands involved EB in 2017 [10]; in Israel, a total of 3686 hospitalized cases were related to EB during 2014–2019 and 84.92% oral and maxillofacial injuries were attributed to EB [11]; and in the United States, there were 130,000 ERTI cases from 2000 to 2017, accounting for 5.3% of the total number of injuries in the emergency department. Among them, 17% of EB caused serious injuries such as traumatic brain injury and internal hemorrhage [12]; in Switzerland, the incidence of ERTI is 17%, and the main causes of injuries are road skidding, riding too fast, and being unable to maintain balance [13]. Langford used GPS technology to analyze the safety behaviors of EB cyclists in a complex traffic environment. The results showed that violations of traffic lights and driving on motorways are high-frequency dangerous riding behaviors [14]. Haustein et al. conducted a questionnaire survey on EB users in Denmark, and the results showed that the riding attitude of cyclists has a significant impact on heavy ERTIs [15]. After analyzing the accident data recorded by the Swiss police in 2011 and 2012, Weber et al. found that ERTI was dominated by Single-Bicycle Crashes (SBCs) [16].
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jeffbee 3y ago

You're never going to believe how many emergency room visits are caused by cars (including virtually all of the "e-bike injuries").

rickydroll 3y ago
research backed data says otherwise. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/
- jeffbee 3y ago
  Considering that the linked study doesn't even bother defining e-bike, and the study setting is China, I am unwilling to imbue the report with the meaning that you intend.
  - rickydroll 3y ago
    Increased injury severity and hospitalization rates following crashes with e-bikes versus conventional bicycles: an observational cohort study from a regional level II trauma center in Switzerland https://pssjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13037-022-00318-9 https://pssjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13037... Electric bicycles (e-bikes) are an increasingly common pediatric public health problem https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10372360/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10372360/ Must-Know E Bike Accident Statistics [Latest Report] https://blog.gitnux.com/e-bike-accident-statistics/ https://blog.gitnux.com/e-bike-accident-statistics/ look at solo bike accident rates. you will see this kinds of accident reports increase until we change how we train how people ride. for a bit of history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_findings_in_the_Hurt_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_findings_in_the_Hurt_R...

notthemessiah 3y ago

The fastest certified off-the-shelf e-bike goes to 28 mph and usually max out at 20mph, which is far below the usual speed of motorcycles. Of those 25,000 ER visits, very few are fatal, and of 1,260 bicyclist deaths in 2020, 806 were from collisions with vehicles. It seems cars are the problem, and this can easily be addressed by adding protected bike lanes and dedicated bike paths. By providing safe cycling routes, other countries such as the Netherlands have been able to see a large-scale transition from auto transportation to cycling with very few accidents, ebike or not. Compare these numbers with motor vehicles (especially how pedestrian deaths by motor vehicle are skyrocketing), and it's clear that our priorities should be placed on safe pedestrian and cycling infrastructure, not by regulating ebike usage. https://apnews.com/article/traffic-deaths-distracted-driving-crisis-6db6471e273b275920b6c4f9eb7e493b https://apnews.com/article/traffic-deaths-distracted-driving... https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184034017/us-pedestrian-deaths-high-traffic-car https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184034017/us-pedestrian-deat...

rickydroll 3y ago
To point, it doesn't matter how fast you going. If you follow the bike, you have a higher G Force just from the vertical drop. Your head and body don't decelerate that fast sliding forward. You will get the same amount of road rash if you fall off and e-bike or a motorcycle one at the same speed. Some hard data on the bike accidents and the kind of injuries that occur. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ then read the Hurt report The number 1 best way to reduce accidents between different kinds of vehicles is training people to drive consistently and predictably. Personally I think someone should not get a license to drive until they've shown have mastered driving three types of vehicles (singletrack, dual track light weight, dual track-heavyweight).
- notthemessiah 3y ago
  What are you talking about? Your response ignores the most basic facts about physics (kinetic energy = (1/2)mv^2) and vehicular safety (speeding kills). And what do you mean by 3 types of vehicles? Did you have ChatGPT generate your response or something? https://nacto.org/publication/city-limits/the-need/speed-kills/ https://nacto.org/publication/city-limits/the-need/speed-kil...