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Should we disband the CIA and NSA since all they are focused on spying on non citizens.

by adrr 3y ago

gustavus 3y ago
> the CIA and NSA since all they are focused on spying on non citizens. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one.
- paganel 3y ago
  I wonder when will the NSA also get its own drone program to shoot at Middle East weddings. They must be feeling down seeing how the intelligence gatherers from the CIA are now in the business of waging aerial war, while they, the NSA, are left with the boring office work.
  - DANmode 3y ago
    I don't think I would describe the CTF Pro Leagues as "boring office work"!
theknocker 3y ago
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krapp 3y ago
Yes. Not for that specific reason, though. The CIA for its human rights abuses, experimentation on American citizens, torture, mass murder and support for violent autocratic regimes and terrorists around the world, and the NSA for all of its various domestic surveillance and data mining activities.
- ghostpepper 3y ago
  This is not a real suggestion to have no spy agencies, right? Is every other country going to follow suit? Would you have the US disband their military as well? Or should they just deploy it without any sort of intelligence gathering?
  - krapp 3y ago
    > This is not a real suggestion to have no spy agencies, right? I do think we should not have these specific agencies, because they've proven themselves too corrupt, and we should consider a "defund" strategy for our entire military industrial complex, completely dismantling the existing systems and replacing them with something a little less... evil? Certainly scaled back by a few orders of magnitude. But then the only reason these agencies act the way they do and get away with it is because the government wants it that way. So maybe just burn it all down, I don't know. I'm starting to think Thomas Jefferson was right and we should at least try to shoot all the politicians, rip up the Constitution and start over every 20 years. So not a realistic suggestion, no. > Would you have the US disband their military as well? Honestly I think the world would be better off if the US only had the national guard and a small purely defensive coastal navy like Japan. Maybe not randomly fuck up Asian or Middle Eastern countries every few years in the name of oil or Jesus or kickbacks to Lockheed Martin.
kmeisthax 3y ago
Yes. Constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure mean nothing if they only apply to citizens, because not everyone is a dual citizen of every country with an intelligence agency. If America can't spy on Americans, and the UK can't[0] spy on Brits, America can still ask the UK to spy on Americans that don't have dual citizenship with the UK, and the UK can ask America to spy on Brits that don't have dual citizenship with America. This makes 4A into a water sandwich. [0] I'm assuming there's some kind of 4A-equivalent bound on government behavior in the Calvinball soup that is the UK 'constitution'

Should we disband the CIA and NSA since all they are focused on spying on non citizens.

by adrr 3y ago

Should we disband the CIA and NSA since all they are focused on spying on non citizens.

gustavus 3y ago

> the CIA and NSA since all they are focused on spying on non citizens. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's a good one.

paganel 3y ago
I wonder when will the NSA also get its own drone program to shoot at Middle East weddings. They must be feeling down seeing how the intelligence gatherers from the CIA are now in the business of waging aerial war, while they, the NSA, are left with the boring office work.
- DANmode 3y ago
  I don't think I would describe the CTF Pro Leagues as "boring office work"!

theknocker 3y ago

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krapp 3y ago

Yes. Not for that specific reason, though. The CIA for its human rights abuses, experimentation on American citizens, torture, mass murder and support for violent autocratic regimes and terrorists around the world, and the NSA for all of its various domestic surveillance and data mining activities.

ghostpepper 3y ago
This is not a real suggestion to have no spy agencies, right? Is every other country going to follow suit? Would you have the US disband their military as well? Or should they just deploy it without any sort of intelligence gathering?
- krapp 3y ago
  > This is not a real suggestion to have no spy agencies, right? I do think we should not have these specific agencies, because they've proven themselves too corrupt, and we should consider a "defund" strategy for our entire military industrial complex, completely dismantling the existing systems and replacing them with something a little less... evil? Certainly scaled back by a few orders of magnitude. But then the only reason these agencies act the way they do and get away with it is because the government wants it that way. So maybe just burn it all down, I don't know. I'm starting to think Thomas Jefferson was right and we should at least try to shoot all the politicians, rip up the Constitution and start over every 20 years. So not a realistic suggestion, no. > Would you have the US disband their military as well? Honestly I think the world would be better off if the US only had the national guard and a small purely defensive coastal navy like Japan. Maybe not randomly fuck up Asian or Middle Eastern countries every few years in the name of oil or Jesus or kickbacks to Lockheed Martin.

kmeisthax 3y ago

Yes. Constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure mean nothing if they only apply to citizens, because not everyone is a dual citizen of every country with an intelligence agency. If America can't spy on Americans, and the UK can't[0] spy on Brits, America can still ask the UK to spy on Americans that don't have dual citizenship with the UK, and the UK can ask America to spy on Brits that don't have dual citizenship with America. This makes 4A into a water sandwich. [0] I'm assuming there's some kind of 4A-equivalent bound on government behavior in the Calvinball soup that is the UK 'constitution'