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The second sentence of the article says that it's being used on visa applicants, who are therefore trying to enter the country legally. If CBP is already aware

The second sentence of the article says that it's being used on visa applicants, who are therefore trying to enter the country legally. If CBP is already aware that someone has or is attempting to enter the country illegally, they don't need to analyze their social media. Also, "illegal alien" is an outdated term because implies an individual's entire existence as "illegal," which is dehumanizing.

Eumenes 3y ago
ICE and CBP are using it ... ICE is more involved in illegal migration cases. So its likely being used for both legal immigration pathways and the illegal ones. Perhaps further FOIA or reporting will help reveal more details.
tiahura 3y ago
Also, "illegal alien" is an outdated term because implies an individual's entire existence as "illegal," which is dehumanizing The "outdated" critique is Orwellian - an attempt to language police and limit the scope of debate by reframing the words and terms used to discuss a complex issue. Newspeak's purpose is to limit freedom of thought and control the population. The aim is to restrict the range of ideas people can express, thereby limiting the range of ideas they can even consider. When we start policing the term "illegal immigrant," we run the risk of narrowing our debate and discussion surrounding immigration policy. It's also worth considering the consistency of this argument across different domains. For example, nobody is advocating for softening the term "illegal miner". In these contexts, the term "illegal" serves to accurately describe an action that is against the law. It doesn't mean that the individual’s entire identity is reduced to that action, but it does indicate that the action itself is not in compliance with existing laws.
- lawlessone 3y ago
  >Newspeak's purpose is to limit freedom of thought and control the population >control the population Isn't that what immigration departments do?
jcampbell1 3y ago
The terminology around illegal is a political act. It is illegal to cross a border without authorization everywhere. The goal is prey on social grace to get people to use words like “undocumented” which means policy can be controlled via documentation. The idea is to subvert the law by changing terminology. I can’t tell if you are a sheep or a wolf from your post.
TMWNN 3y ago
>Also, "illegal alien" is an outdated term because implies an individual's entire existence as "illegal," which is dehumanizing. The phrase "illegal alien" appears in federal law. <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1365 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1365>

Eumenes 3y ago

ICE and CBP are using it ... ICE is more involved in illegal migration cases. So its likely being used for both legal immigration pathways and the illegal ones. Perhaps further FOIA or reporting will help reveal more details.

tiahura 3y ago

Also, "illegal alien" is an outdated term because implies an individual's entire existence as "illegal," which is dehumanizing The "outdated" critique is Orwellian - an attempt to language police and limit the scope of debate by reframing the words and terms used to discuss a complex issue. Newspeak's purpose is to limit freedom of thought and control the population. The aim is to restrict the range of ideas people can express, thereby limiting the range of ideas they can even consider. When we start policing the term "illegal immigrant," we run the risk of narrowing our debate and discussion surrounding immigration policy. It's also worth considering the consistency of this argument across different domains. For example, nobody is advocating for softening the term "illegal miner". In these contexts, the term "illegal" serves to accurately describe an action that is against the law. It doesn't mean that the individual’s entire identity is reduced to that action, but it does indicate that the action itself is not in compliance with existing laws.

lawlessone 3y ago
>Newspeak's purpose is to limit freedom of thought and control the population >control the population Isn't that what immigration departments do?

jcampbell1 3y ago

The terminology around illegal is a political act. It is illegal to cross a border without authorization everywhere. The goal is prey on social grace to get people to use words like “undocumented” which means policy can be controlled via documentation. The idea is to subvert the law by changing terminology. I can’t tell if you are a sheep or a wolf from your post.

TMWNN 3y ago

>Also, "illegal alien" is an outdated term because implies an individual's entire existence as "illegal," which is dehumanizing. The phrase "illegal alien" appears in federal law. <https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1365 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1365>