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What if I would never pay for it in the first place? Then I'm not depriving you of anything
by iopq 3y ago
What if I would never pay for it in the first place? Then I'm not depriving you of anything
- robertlagrant 3y agoThen why do you have it?
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoBecause it can be obtained for free.
- robertlagrant 3y agoIf that's all it takes, why not just use public domain things? They're actually free.
- PrimeMcFly 3y agoBecause I want the other thing I can get for free. Think of it like this. If you are flicking through channels on your TV, you might find something halfway interesting that you want to watch, and so you do. But you never would have paid for it. Same thing with piracy. You might check something out of curiosity or boredom, but never would have paid $20 for it, and me personally, I'm not going to 'rent' something that requires DRM to play, and don't want to own it on physical media, so piracy is the clear choice. This is pretty normal human behavior, and I see no ethical issue with it. There is only the fallacy of the lost sale as a flimsy counter-argument, the rest is greed and lies.
- robertlagrant 3y agoIt's greedy to want things for free that aren't available for free. You're right that greed is normal human behaviour, but that doesn't make it okay, let alone good.
- beej71 3y agoCounterpoint: greed has made Disney and others push copyright terms to damaging extremes that we all pay for. It's unethical to give them money.
- robertlagrant 3y agoThat's not a counterpoint. It's not unethical to voluntarily pay for a luxury good. It's just a choice.
- beej71 3y agoI didn't say it was unethical to voluntarily pay for a luxury good. I said it was unethical to pay Disney.
- robertlagrant 3y agoThis just seems like an excuse. It's okay to steal from the people you've decided are evil? Should I start stealing VWs because of the emissions scandal?
- beej71 3y agoI'm not talking about stealing anything. But if you find VW to be an evil company and you want a Golf, you should absolutely build your own copy a Golf and not give VW a cent.
- robertlagrant 3y agoFair enough - in the same vein, it's not magically okay for you to consume Disney products just because you don't like Disney. Put on your own play.
- beej71 3y agoBut now we're just talking the ease of making a copy, which I don't think is part of the law.
- tzs 3y agoBut you may be depriving someone of something. E.g., if I had pirated Photoshop I would not have been depriving Adobe of anything, because there was no way I would pay the several hundred dollars they were charging for it at the time. But Adobe is not the only company selling image editing software. Rather than pirate Photoshop I bought the much less expensive Pixelmator. They would not have gotten that sale if I had chosen to pirate Photoshop.
- iopq 3y agoThat's a huge stretch, it's some IMAGINARY losses of SOCIETY since it's impossible to know which software I would buy. In fact, I would use open source software instead, since I'm not in the mood for paying. I use Krita now because I don't need the extra Photoshop features