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The originally announced F150 lightening price was under $40k, and there were also some incentives IIRC. The cheapest ones are about $60k now. A lot of people

The originally announced F150 lightening price was under $40k, and there were also some incentives IIRC. The cheapest ones are about $60k now. A lot of people were interested in the truck for the lower $30k's, but much more than that is a non-starter. The marketing for these vehicles is also laughable. Instead of advertising real-world range for a 10k towing load, they talk about how it can power your blender. The mustang mach-e is another flop. A lot of people rushed out to buy one during the supply chain crunch, values shot up, now Ford can't give them away.

busterarm 3y ago
Yeah but Ford just cancelled F150 lightning orders in the US & Canada again. How many production shutdowns are they going to deal with for quality issues per year? Also it's weird to be pushing EVs in areas where they aren't wanted (trucks, motorcycles). Harley Davidson just reported that their electric bike model sold 69 units globally in the last quarter of 2022...That's basically nothing. Their yearly goals are like 500 units.
- linuxftw 3y ago
  For $35k, I would want an F150 lightning with 4wd and 4 doors. That would be a great value, and while not as capable as a non-electric truck, it would fit all of my needs. For $60k, I'll just buy a real truck.
  - busterarm 3y ago
    Can you even find Ford trucks for $60k anymore? Ford just raised prices _again_ on top of their dealers already adding insane markups without the brand curtailing that behavior. Plus everything they deliver to dealers seems to be optioned out the ass to the point where everything is $80-120k. My truck-shopping friends (that being most people here in the southeast) are all swearing off Ford and buying used from other brands for way cheaper. heck, Scotty Kilmer JUST did a video on this...
    - linuxftw 3y ago
      I maybe would buy a new Ford F250 with the 7.3l. Otherwise I'd get a Chevy 2500 if I was in the market for a truck. The F150/1500s just aren't reliable anymore, and they cost as much as a 250/2500.
      - busterarm 3y ago
        Those Godzillas are incredibly hard to come by unless you've got a commercial fleet or serious bucks to spend over MSRP. I looked around a couple of times in the last few years nationwide and was having an absurd amount of difficulty. A few leads in the PNW but that's the opposite diagonal of the country from me. Maybe buying used from someone's fleet. But then you're buying a used fleet vehicle...it was better for someone to sell it than repair and keep it in the fleet... If you have a good relationship with a dealer they can order it for you, but they're just as likely to sell it to somebody else on receipt for more money than you were. Honestly though I kind of prefer vans and I think discontinuing the E250 like they did after 2014 was an enormous mistake.
toomuchtodo 3y ago
Doesn’t help that the Mach E is being recalled due to a battery design that requires HV battery disassembly and reassembly.

busterarm 3y ago

Yeah but Ford just cancelled F150 lightning orders in the US & Canada again. How many production shutdowns are they going to deal with for quality issues per year? Also it's weird to be pushing EVs in areas where they aren't wanted (trucks, motorcycles). Harley Davidson just reported that their electric bike model sold 69 units globally in the last quarter of 2022...That's basically nothing. Their yearly goals are like 500 units.

linuxftw 3y ago
For $35k, I would want an F150 lightning with 4wd and 4 doors. That would be a great value, and while not as capable as a non-electric truck, it would fit all of my needs. For $60k, I'll just buy a real truck.
- busterarm 3y ago
  Can you even find Ford trucks for $60k anymore? Ford just raised prices _again_ on top of their dealers already adding insane markups without the brand curtailing that behavior. Plus everything they deliver to dealers seems to be optioned out the ass to the point where everything is $80-120k. My truck-shopping friends (that being most people here in the southeast) are all swearing off Ford and buying used from other brands for way cheaper. heck, Scotty Kilmer JUST did a video on this...
  - linuxftw 3y ago
    I maybe would buy a new Ford F250 with the 7.3l. Otherwise I'd get a Chevy 2500 if I was in the market for a truck. The F150/1500s just aren't reliable anymore, and they cost as much as a 250/2500.
    - busterarm 3y ago
      Those Godzillas are incredibly hard to come by unless you've got a commercial fleet or serious bucks to spend over MSRP. I looked around a couple of times in the last few years nationwide and was having an absurd amount of difficulty. A few leads in the PNW but that's the opposite diagonal of the country from me. Maybe buying used from someone's fleet. But then you're buying a used fleet vehicle...it was better for someone to sell it than repair and keep it in the fleet... If you have a good relationship with a dealer they can order it for you, but they're just as likely to sell it to somebody else on receipt for more money than you were. Honestly though I kind of prefer vans and I think discontinuing the E250 like they did after 2014 was an enormous mistake.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Doesn’t help that the Mach E is being recalled due to a battery design that requires HV battery disassembly and reassembly.