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Can the price pressure reduce the amount of cars overall after IC cars are outlawed?

by Klaster_1 3y ago

tonyedgecombe 3y ago
ICE cars won't be outlawed if there isn't an acceptable alternative. It would be political suicide.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > ICE cars won't be outlawed if there isn't an acceptable alternative Not explicitly. But new gas stations will stop being built [1]. For-hire cars mandated to go electric [2]. Parking spaces reserved for electric cars only. Perhaps HOAs that ban the running of combustion engines on their streets. Nudges here and there that make it more annoying and expensive to own a gas car. [1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-11/california-cities-ban-new-gas-stations-amid-climate-change https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-11/californ... [2] https://www.nyc.gov/assets/tlc/downloads/pdf/green_rides_initiative_%20with_certifications_8_14_23.pdf https://www.nyc.gov/assets/tlc/downloads/pdf/green_rides_ini...
- georgeplusplus 3y ago
  Europe and California are already moving full steam ahead without a plan. Anything for that sweet chinese money. EVs benefit china. Period. Gavin Newsom met with Xi recently. Probably to collect his paycheck for enacting the law to phase out ICEs by 2030. Why cant democrat supporters connect the dots.
  - otteromkram 3y ago
    > Why cant democrat supporters connect the dots. Because there's no dots to connect. Related: Dems probably know what a question mark is and where it should be used.
    - georgeplusplus 3y ago
      You don't see the mass migration of over 10 million people as troublesome? You don't see the surging crime in cities as a problem? You don't see inflation as a problem? Do you live under a bridge? How about these for questions. Democrats have their heads in the sand on these issues. We are a bleeding lamb, it's no coincidence Russia and Iran made military moves because we are W E A K. Maybe it is a coincidence to you. Democrats seem more concerned with letting trans men compete un women sports than any of them above.
  - Welmoto 3y ago
    Germany is pushing for ev too and Germany main industry is cars. We have bmw, VW, Mercedes etc here. A lot of people I personally know work for bmw. Your conspiracy doesn't make sense. No German politican would ever ty to hurt the German automotive sector. And we don't have that many it people we have a ton of German engineers
    - georgeplusplus 3y ago
      All economic signs in the USA are pointing towards depression. I live abroad and where i live wven they can see how weak we are but my American democrat friends back home somehow dont see it. They think the way the world still sees us is and favorable and we project a strong image abroad. The world sees what's happening with the uncontained migration, crime surges in the city, and with the inflation and they see weakness. How you can be living in this and not see it is beyond my rational. Perhaps its the same dunning Kruger effect is making you not be able to see that your politicians have sold you out your car industry to foreign entities that include an alliance of Russia China and Iran. Your auto industry cannot compete. I have lived in China they are so far ahead of the EV market its a joke what's more, they own a monopoly on lithium production who do you think we will come begging to with an ev transition. It's sad. I hope you can start to question the madness these dirty politicians sold us out for.
    - TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
      > Your conspiracy doesn't make sense. No German politican would ever ty to hurt the German automotive sector. The same German politicians that shutdown nuclear reactors making Germany more dependent on fossil fuels like coal?
      - ben_w 3y ago
        Neither coal nor nuclear is part of the German automotive sector.
        Taiwan_No_1 3y ago
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RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago
Probably not in a democracy. A huge number of people like owning cars. If there is price pressure from a law, there will be massive political pressure to change that law.
- slaw 3y ago
  Most people don't like to own cars. Pay, insure, park, repair. It is just necessity to move from point A to point B.
  - paulryanrogers 3y ago
    Sadly untrue in large parts of the US. Often it becomes an extension of ones identity. To not have one is a clear signal you're too poor or too 'city'. (Having the wrong one is similarly troublesome for ones social life.)
    - slaw 3y ago
      I am just a software developer and I don't know a single person who thinks car is a status symbol of any kind. Private jets and yachts are.
      - daedalus_j 3y ago
        Perhaps you're high enough up the ladder that those are simply the people you know and interact with? Move higher up and "personal city on the moon" becomes the status symbol. Move lower down and it's still cars. What type of car, and what modifications it has, etc, become quite important talking points. A recent SMBC seems to me to explain it well: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/esteem-2 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/esteem-2
        gottorf 3y ago
        > A recent SMBC seems to me to explain it well: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/esteem-2 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/esteem-2 The bonus panel is hilarious!

Can the price pressure reduce the amount of cars overall after IC cars are outlawed?

tonyedgecombe 3y ago

ICE cars won't be outlawed if there isn't an acceptable alternative. It would be political suicide.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> ICE cars won't be outlawed if there isn't an acceptable alternative Not explicitly. But new gas stations will stop being built [1]. For-hire cars mandated to go electric [2]. Parking spaces reserved for electric cars only. Perhaps HOAs that ban the running of combustion engines on their streets. Nudges here and there that make it more annoying and expensive to own a gas car. [1] https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-11/california-cities-ban-new-gas-stations-amid-climate-change https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-11/californ... [2] https://www.nyc.gov/assets/tlc/downloads/pdf/green_rides_initiative_%20with_certifications_8_14_23.pdf https://www.nyc.gov/assets/tlc/downloads/pdf/green_rides_ini...
georgeplusplus 3y ago
Europe and California are already moving full steam ahead without a plan. Anything for that sweet chinese money. EVs benefit china. Period. Gavin Newsom met with Xi recently. Probably to collect his paycheck for enacting the law to phase out ICEs by 2030. Why cant democrat supporters connect the dots.
- otteromkram 3y ago
  > Why cant democrat supporters connect the dots. Because there's no dots to connect. Related: Dems probably know what a question mark is and where it should be used.
  - georgeplusplus 3y ago
    You don't see the mass migration of over 10 million people as troublesome? You don't see the surging crime in cities as a problem? You don't see inflation as a problem? Do you live under a bridge? How about these for questions. Democrats have their heads in the sand on these issues. We are a bleeding lamb, it's no coincidence Russia and Iran made military moves because we are W E A K. Maybe it is a coincidence to you. Democrats seem more concerned with letting trans men compete un women sports than any of them above.
- Welmoto 3y ago
  Germany is pushing for ev too and Germany main industry is cars. We have bmw, VW, Mercedes etc here. A lot of people I personally know work for bmw. Your conspiracy doesn't make sense. No German politican would ever ty to hurt the German automotive sector. And we don't have that many it people we have a ton of German engineers
  - georgeplusplus 3y ago
    All economic signs in the USA are pointing towards depression. I live abroad and where i live wven they can see how weak we are but my American democrat friends back home somehow dont see it. They think the way the world still sees us is and favorable and we project a strong image abroad. The world sees what's happening with the uncontained migration, crime surges in the city, and with the inflation and they see weakness. How you can be living in this and not see it is beyond my rational. Perhaps its the same dunning Kruger effect is making you not be able to see that your politicians have sold you out your car industry to foreign entities that include an alliance of Russia China and Iran. Your auto industry cannot compete. I have lived in China they are so far ahead of the EV market its a joke what's more, they own a monopoly on lithium production who do you think we will come begging to with an ev transition. It's sad. I hope you can start to question the madness these dirty politicians sold us out for.
  - TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
    > Your conspiracy doesn't make sense. No German politican would ever ty to hurt the German automotive sector. The same German politicians that shutdown nuclear reactors making Germany more dependent on fossil fuels like coal?
    - ben_w 3y ago
      Neither coal nor nuclear is part of the German automotive sector.
      - Taiwan_No_1 3y ago
        [dead]

RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago

Probably not in a democracy. A huge number of people like owning cars. If there is price pressure from a law, there will be massive political pressure to change that law.

slaw 3y ago
Most people don't like to own cars. Pay, insure, park, repair. It is just necessity to move from point A to point B.
- paulryanrogers 3y ago
  Sadly untrue in large parts of the US. Often it becomes an extension of ones identity. To not have one is a clear signal you're too poor or too 'city'. (Having the wrong one is similarly troublesome for ones social life.)
  - slaw 3y ago
    I am just a software developer and I don't know a single person who thinks car is a status symbol of any kind. Private jets and yachts are.
    - daedalus_j 3y ago
      Perhaps you're high enough up the ladder that those are simply the people you know and interact with? Move higher up and "personal city on the moon" becomes the status symbol. Move lower down and it's still cars. What type of car, and what modifications it has, etc, become quite important talking points. A recent SMBC seems to me to explain it well: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/esteem-2 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/esteem-2
      - gottorf 3y ago
        > A recent SMBC seems to me to explain it well: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/esteem-2 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/esteem-2 The bonus panel is hilarious!