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> However, as one who speaks BCMS The languages spoken in Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Montenegro (this order is by population size) are one and the same langu
by medo-bear 3y ago
> However, as one who speaks BCMS
The languages spoken in Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, and Montenegro (this order is by population size) are one and the same language. It is a southern slavic language, which is what the term yugoslav means. That it is not used is solely due to political correctness. God forbid that slavs should think they are one and the same, instead of constantly being at war with one another
> For Albanian speakers, Yugoslavia was a Slav-dominated project
Albanians were actually a small minority in Yugolslavia as a whole. The country was 90+% slavic. On the other hand Albanians, as an ethnic group, had unprecedented political autonomy (Kosovo) and language rights in Yugoslavia. Im certain they had more freedom and a better life than in Enver Hoxha's Albania. Also if it was not for socialist Yugoslavia, Kosovo would have just been, and hence remained, a region in a centrally governed Serbia.
As regards opposotion to Yugoslavia, it is actually more correct to say that Yugoslavia was opposed by nationalists of all ethnic groups it contained, including the Serbs, Croats, Muslims (as Bosniaks called themselves during those times and some period after), Slovenians, Macedonians, Bulgarians, Hungarians, and of course Albanians. Even though people mainly know about Greater Serbia, each of these groups wanted (wants?) a Greater <insert your nat. here>, including the Albanians
- sokols 3y ago> On the other hand Albanians, as an ethnic group, had unprecedented political autonomy (Kosovo) and language rights in Yugoslavia. It lasted for merely 15 years, from 1974 till 1989 when Milosevic and his clique brutally removed it. This autonomy was always a thorn in the eye of the serbian establishment and they never stopped their efforts to undermine it, which they succeeded in 1989.
- wheelerof4te 3y agoBecause that is what countries do when a part of them rebels and starts doing terror attacks on police. Please, try to promote Texas independance from USA and see how that goes.
- sokols 3y ago> Because that is what countries do when a part of them rebels and starts doing terror attacks on police. Kosovo War happened later, not during the above mentioned period.
- wheelerof4te 3y agoYes, it happened after the initial response by Serbian anti-terrorist groups. Then, West became involved and Clinton wanted something to distract from his little raping scandal at home. So, they decided to bomb a country fighting foreign-backed terrorists on its soil.
- OfSanguineFire 3y agoThe Clinton scandal at the time of the bombing of Serbia was about a consensual relationship (his two-year extramarital affair with Monica Lewinsky). While Clinton did have other sex scandals, those came well before 1999. Your writing about a “little raping scandal” suggests you do not have a good knowledge of this history and your posts on the subject cannot be taken seriously.
- medo-bear 3y agoClintons are plain cringe even if Kosovo deifies them
- wheelerof4te 3y agoYeah, disregard my facts about the Clinton family's war crimes just because a known rapist for once did not rape a woman.
- OfSanguineFire 3y agoFor facts, one prefers to listen to people who don’t make basic factual errors. Also, that you are still commenting in this HN thread two days after it was posted, suggests you have an unhealthy ideological fixation with this topic.
- medo-bear 3y agoMy point was that they lived better and more freely in socialist (pre Milosevic) Yugoslavia than in quite litteraly Stalinist Albania. Ironically the Albanian government in Kosovo now is persuing the same Milosevic-type policies, except against Serbs, by not granting them autonomy [0]. When it comes to nationalists, especially those in the Balkans, it really is same sh*t different flag. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_Serb_Municipalities https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_Serb_Municipali...
- ardit33 3y agoSerbia is refusing to give autonomy to Preseva Valley too (Luigina e Presheves). Also, Hungarians minorities in the north don’t have it either. They have lots of soul searching as well.
- helij 3y agoThere are absolutely zero issue with Hungarian minority in Serbia. Presevo valley is whole other issue due to Kosovo and issues there where Serbs are regularly persecuted on a daily basis. Also, Albanians in the south of Serbia have higher autonomy than Serbs in Kosovo at the moment for example. It's interesting how roles in Kosovo reversed. Albanians being persecuted by Serbian authorities in the 80' and 90' and Albanians taking up arms and we have Serbs today taking up arms after being persecuted by Albanian authorities. Somehow though when Albanians are doing it it's allright ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Please don't add to the hate. People there don't need this.
- OfSanguineFire 3y agoHungarians in Vojvodina don't actively pursue separatism, but if claim there is "zero issue", you obviously don't speak Hungarian. Just talking to random people in Subotica or wherever in their own language, it doesn't take more than a few minutes for an ethnic Hungarian to complain about being part of Serbia. Bitterness about Trianon, and even hopes for a Greater Hungary someday, are as commonly met in Vojvodina as in Hungary, Slovakia, Transcarpathia, or Transylvania. And since you were talking about Kosovo, one thing you often hear from Hungarians in Vojvodina is that they don’t give a shit about “Kosovo je Srbija” and they hate being associated with a country that keeps banging on about it.