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Every country claims its name exists, not sure what you mean. Whether or not it was accepted as a successor state is not that important for ICANN. There's a cou

Every country claims its name exists, not sure what you mean. Whether or not it was accepted as a successor state is not that important for ICANN. There's a country called Yugoslavia consisting of parts of another previous Yugoslavia, and they're supposed to cancel the .yu domain and issue it a new domain called .foo? Seems really not practical.

lmm 3y ago
> Every country claims its name exists, not sure what you mean. Just because you claim your country has a certain name doesn't mean it does, if the rest of the international community doesn't recognise it. > There's a country called Yugoslavia consisting of parts of another previous Yugoslavia, and they're supposed to cancel the .yu domain and issue it a new domain called .foo? If the country calling itself Yugoslavia was recognised as the sucessor state of the prior country called Yugoslavia, then it would inherit the .yu domain. If that succession is not recognised, then it doesn't get to keep that domain and needs a new one (and even if the name is similar or the same, since it's a different country it can't have the domain which belonged to the old country). Seems reasonable to me.
- locallost 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_FIFA_World_Cup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_FIFA_World_Cup "The following 32 teams, shown with final pre-tournament rankings,[11] qualified for the final tournament." " ... Romania (22) Scotland (41) Spain (15) FR Yugoslavia (8) " So obviously "international community" is a very vague term. If we were talking about anything material, like who owns an embassy building in e.g. London I'd see your point, but insisting that Yugoslavia not use a .yu domain because it was assigned to another Yugoslavia that received the name three years before it dissolved sounds like not solving problems but having an axe to grind.
  - lmm 3y ago
    > " ... Romania (22) Scotland (41) Spain (15) FR Yugoslavia (8) " Even on that very line you've got another entity that's not an ISO country and does not have its own ccTLD, so clearly having a FIFA World Cup team is not quite the same thing as being a sovereign state. > So obviously "international community" is a very vague term. International recognition for a country is a spectrum rather than a binary, sure. > If we were talking about anything material, like who owns an embassy building in e.g. London I'd see your point, but insisting that Yugoslavia not use a .yu domain because it was assigned to another Yugoslavia that received the name three years before it dissolved sounds like not solving problems but having an axe to grind. A top-level domain is valuable and culturally important in the same way as an embassy building. If you want to argue that states that refused to recognise "FR Yugoslavia" as the successor state of Yugoslavia and allow it to hold the UN seat, government property, etc. were petty and vindictive - well, maybe they were, politics is often petty and vindictive (although I would note that what was finally agreed in 2004 was that Yugoslavia had divided into five equal successors, none of which had a special claim on its embassy buildings, domain names or anything else). Deferring to the politically recognised succession seems like the best way to insulate administration of the Internet from dealing with those disputes directly. Maintaining a separate/parallel system for listing countries and their names/abbreviations, as FIFA does, does not seem like it would be a productive use of the internet community's resources, nor would it be likely to make the disputes that would inevitably arise any less petty or vindictive.
    - locallost 3y ago
      You stated that the country only claimed that it was called Yugoslavia, but it was obviously called like this, and it was accepted as such. The question of it being a succession state is not really relevant for the name. Its status as a "sovereign state" was also never questioned. Macedonia's name was never accepted (until the dispute was resolved recently by naming the country North Macedonia), and it was always referred to as FYROM - Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. This was again obviously not the case for Yugoslavia. A top-level domain might be of cultural importance, but it's a big stretch this was the case for Yugoslavia in 1992 when the internet barely existed and the .yu domain existed for three years (according to the article). So in reality it's a nothing burger, unless you have an axe to grind.
  - jowea 3y ago
    Considering the history in the region I'd assume there would be a lot of people with axes to grind... And see the (North) Macedonia drama for a clear example of a country's name being controversial.

lmm 3y ago

> Every country claims its name exists, not sure what you mean. Just because you claim your country has a certain name doesn't mean it does, if the rest of the international community doesn't recognise it. > There's a country called Yugoslavia consisting of parts of another previous Yugoslavia, and they're supposed to cancel the .yu domain and issue it a new domain called .foo? If the country calling itself Yugoslavia was recognised as the sucessor state of the prior country called Yugoslavia, then it would inherit the .yu domain. If that succession is not recognised, then it doesn't get to keep that domain and needs a new one (and even if the name is similar or the same, since it's a different country it can't have the domain which belonged to the old country). Seems reasonable to me.

locallost 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_FIFA_World_Cup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_FIFA_World_Cup "The following 32 teams, shown with final pre-tournament rankings,[11] qualified for the final tournament." " ... Romania (22) Scotland (41) Spain (15) FR Yugoslavia (8) " So obviously "international community" is a very vague term. If we were talking about anything material, like who owns an embassy building in e.g. London I'd see your point, but insisting that Yugoslavia not use a .yu domain because it was assigned to another Yugoslavia that received the name three years before it dissolved sounds like not solving problems but having an axe to grind.
- lmm 3y ago
  > " ... Romania (22) Scotland (41) Spain (15) FR Yugoslavia (8) " Even on that very line you've got another entity that's not an ISO country and does not have its own ccTLD, so clearly having a FIFA World Cup team is not quite the same thing as being a sovereign state. > So obviously "international community" is a very vague term. International recognition for a country is a spectrum rather than a binary, sure. > If we were talking about anything material, like who owns an embassy building in e.g. London I'd see your point, but insisting that Yugoslavia not use a .yu domain because it was assigned to another Yugoslavia that received the name three years before it dissolved sounds like not solving problems but having an axe to grind. A top-level domain is valuable and culturally important in the same way as an embassy building. If you want to argue that states that refused to recognise "FR Yugoslavia" as the successor state of Yugoslavia and allow it to hold the UN seat, government property, etc. were petty and vindictive - well, maybe they were, politics is often petty and vindictive (although I would note that what was finally agreed in 2004 was that Yugoslavia had divided into five equal successors, none of which had a special claim on its embassy buildings, domain names or anything else). Deferring to the politically recognised succession seems like the best way to insulate administration of the Internet from dealing with those disputes directly. Maintaining a separate/parallel system for listing countries and their names/abbreviations, as FIFA does, does not seem like it would be a productive use of the internet community's resources, nor would it be likely to make the disputes that would inevitably arise any less petty or vindictive.
  - locallost 3y ago
    You stated that the country only claimed that it was called Yugoslavia, but it was obviously called like this, and it was accepted as such. The question of it being a succession state is not really relevant for the name. Its status as a "sovereign state" was also never questioned. Macedonia's name was never accepted (until the dispute was resolved recently by naming the country North Macedonia), and it was always referred to as FYROM - Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. This was again obviously not the case for Yugoslavia. A top-level domain might be of cultural importance, but it's a big stretch this was the case for Yugoslavia in 1992 when the internet barely existed and the .yu domain existed for three years (according to the article). So in reality it's a nothing burger, unless you have an axe to grind.
- jowea 3y ago
  Considering the history in the region I'd assume there would be a lot of people with axes to grind... And see the (North) Macedonia drama for a clear example of a country's name being controversial.