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This. 10000+ On a personal note. My partner is doing the same. Sadly this job is not viewed as a real job in most parts of the USA (where I live). It’s a damn

This. 10000+ On a personal note. My partner is doing the same. Sadly this job is not viewed as a real job in most parts of the USA (where I live). It’s a damn shame. If anything it’s looked down upon by large swaths of the society.

muzani 3y ago
It's because modern society uses income/GDP as the only metric for value. It's a stark difference to basically every other point in history. This'll probably be seen as how we look at smoking today. It shouldn't be any surprise that when both parents are mostly absent and taking high stress jobs, the children won't be as mentally healthy. Mentally unhealthy kids become mentally unhealthy adults, and that leads to this downwards spiral we see in society what with mentally ill people going into law enforcement and management. Even with all the new pills, they're not curing the root causes.
- hnthrowaway0315 3y ago
  Unfortunately the whole society runs on the "profit center" model and whoever not gets peanuts.
  - quietthrow 3y ago
    Totally agree. I am all for capitalism but its reached a point where it’s completely unsustainable. We need Capitalism 2.0, which has profit but also other equally important goals of sustainability and community wellbeing.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      Since about the early-mid-20th Century, the dominant economic system has been a divergence from capitalism-as-originally described, specifically limiting the expression of the property rights of capital holders to enable goals of community well-being and sustainability as assessed by the community through, generally, representative democratic means to be addressed and systematically prioritized alongside capital. Its often distinguished from capitalism-in-the-strict-sense as “the modern mixed economy” or something along those lines; its popularly still called capitalism, but to the extent that's accurate its already Capitalism 2.0, diverging from 1.0 in the exact direction you lay out.
      - quietthrow 3y ago
        That’s super interesting. I would like to learn more about this divergence as what I have said is something that felt common sensical to me. Can you recommend some resources? Also if the what you are describing is true then we prolly need more divergence than what we currently have. I am also curious (this is specifically about USA) how effective these limiting of ownership expressions might be if bribery was not legally permitted (lobbying). Like for example imagine the policies and the quality of life of parents if there was a “National Association of Parents” that advocated for the masses. Think powerful like NRA but for parents and children. Call me an immigrant but it baffles me that people of this country don’t have something like this.
        hnthrowaway0315 3y ago
        I think the two world wars really matured the business of government and a lot of agencies grew after that. Back then you have the War Trade Board, OSS, etc which had a lot of powered to deal with extreme situations.
hnthrowaway0315 3y ago
I feel this is one field that is begging a lot of trainings but even the most generous society does not offer and mandate that. We have a son and we are basically just dragging on. I think it would be easier if one if us stays at home but financially it is impossible. And Canada is already more generous than the US. I also think we should have a proper social worker system that gives some help to new parents until the kids go into daycare. At least, they should help new parents make mandatory appointments and check general condition if the kids. Unfortunately I doubt such workers would have a satisfactory salary. After all, like some IT units, they are not "profit center".

muzani 3y ago

It's because modern society uses income/GDP as the only metric for value. It's a stark difference to basically every other point in history. This'll probably be seen as how we look at smoking today. It shouldn't be any surprise that when both parents are mostly absent and taking high stress jobs, the children won't be as mentally healthy. Mentally unhealthy kids become mentally unhealthy adults, and that leads to this downwards spiral we see in society what with mentally ill people going into law enforcement and management. Even with all the new pills, they're not curing the root causes.

hnthrowaway0315 3y ago
Unfortunately the whole society runs on the "profit center" model and whoever not gets peanuts.
- quietthrow 3y ago
  Totally agree. I am all for capitalism but its reached a point where it’s completely unsustainable. We need Capitalism 2.0, which has profit but also other equally important goals of sustainability and community wellbeing.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    Since about the early-mid-20th Century, the dominant economic system has been a divergence from capitalism-as-originally described, specifically limiting the expression of the property rights of capital holders to enable goals of community well-being and sustainability as assessed by the community through, generally, representative democratic means to be addressed and systematically prioritized alongside capital. Its often distinguished from capitalism-in-the-strict-sense as “the modern mixed economy” or something along those lines; its popularly still called capitalism, but to the extent that's accurate its already Capitalism 2.0, diverging from 1.0 in the exact direction you lay out.
    - quietthrow 3y ago
      That’s super interesting. I would like to learn more about this divergence as what I have said is something that felt common sensical to me. Can you recommend some resources? Also if the what you are describing is true then we prolly need more divergence than what we currently have. I am also curious (this is specifically about USA) how effective these limiting of ownership expressions might be if bribery was not legally permitted (lobbying). Like for example imagine the policies and the quality of life of parents if there was a “National Association of Parents” that advocated for the masses. Think powerful like NRA but for parents and children. Call me an immigrant but it baffles me that people of this country don’t have something like this.
      - hnthrowaway0315 3y ago
        I think the two world wars really matured the business of government and a lot of agencies grew after that. Back then you have the War Trade Board, OSS, etc which had a lot of powered to deal with extreme situations.

hnthrowaway0315 3y ago

I feel this is one field that is begging a lot of trainings but even the most generous society does not offer and mandate that. We have a son and we are basically just dragging on. I think it would be easier if one if us stays at home but financially it is impossible. And Canada is already more generous than the US. I also think we should have a proper social worker system that gives some help to new parents until the kids go into daycare. At least, they should help new parents make mandatory appointments and check general condition if the kids. Unfortunately I doubt such workers would have a satisfactory salary. After all, like some IT units, they are not "profit center".