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>Apple should be allowed to benefit from the sweat they invested and sell a mobile console appliance, while others should be allowed to make build-your-own mobi

>Apple should be allowed to benefit from the sweat they invested and sell a mobile console appliance, while others should be allowed to make build-your-own mobile compute. Put another way, there's room for an iPad Pro 13 and a Frame.work Laptop 13. None of these should be forced to break their model to accommodate one of the others'. Comments like me honestly scare me. If windows was released today, you'd only be allowed to install windows apps through the approved store, and some of you will even defend that.

zappb 3y ago
And the Windows app market might actually be profitable rather than a mess of Electron apps. And maybe PC games wouldn’t all come with rootkits to prevent you from using your device.
- Zagitta 3y ago
  So your argument is that it's better for your device to prevent you from using it out of the box rather than games which you fairly easily can opt out of by just not installing them?
matheusmoreira 3y ago
> some of you will even defend that Yeah. Always makes me sad to watch people come to Hacker News and defend the dismantling of everything hacking ever stood for.
- TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
  You can always buy the device that allows hacking. No one is putting a gun to your head to by an Apple product. If people want to buy a non-hackable Apple product that Apple tightly controls, that’s their business. It doesn’t affect you. You should mind your own business.
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    I don't want to buy other devices. I want to buy Apple devices. I think they're just better phones in every way. I should have every right to buy an Apple device and run whatever software I want on it. I shouldn't be forced to use their software and I certainly shouldn't have less choices just because they want to "own" their "platform". These "all or nothing, take it or leave it" propositions are hostile to consumers and should be resisted at all costs. I should be able to get an iPhone without iOS. I sure as hell won't "mind my business" while my freedoms are being denied by rent seeking corporations. If it was up to me, that'd be illegal. Hopefully the EU will put an end to the notion that they can "own" markets. Don't know what spirit possessed them to do it but I ain't gonna argue with a good thing.
    - TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
      Well I don’t want people forcing to Apple to change things when things are working just fine. Currently opening up the browser to others just means Apple will lose control over that part of the UX as Chrome will eventually take over giving Google to have full control of the future of the web. Now you will tell me, “We have Firefox!”. I use Firefox too on PC … tell me how that’s working out market-share wise.
      - matheusmoreira 3y ago
        I share the same concern. Browser monocultures should absolutely be prevented. Keeping Apple platforms closed is not the answer though. The answer is to separate Chrome from Google.
    - carlosjobim 3y ago
      Read your comment again and reflect on how you and others have reached total entitlement mentality. Everybody has to bend over backwards to accommodate you, otherwise "your freedoms are being denied" or it's "an abusive relationship" as another hacker wrote here in the thread. There are real people with real problems in this world. Not being able to install Linux on an iPhone is not a real problem. Either purchase products that suit your use or make products that suit your use, it seems beyond being spoiled to demand that somebody else mass produces a product to suit exactly your individual preferences down to the most minute detail. > I shouldn't be forced to use their software Nobody has ever tried to force you or other hackers to use any software. > I should have every right to buy an Apple device and run whatever software I want on it. You can do that if you have the know-how how to take complete control of the device by soldering and making your own microchips and software. Nobody can stop you from opening your iPhone and doing what you want with it.
TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
> Comments like me honestly scare me. If windows was released today, you'd only be allowed to install windows apps through the approved store, and some of you will even defend that. If people want a close platform and all that comes with it, it’s their business. As long as there exist viable open platforms for those who want an alternative, I don’t see the problem.

zappb 3y ago

And the Windows app market might actually be profitable rather than a mess of Electron apps. And maybe PC games wouldn’t all come with rootkits to prevent you from using your device.

Zagitta 3y ago
So your argument is that it's better for your device to prevent you from using it out of the box rather than games which you fairly easily can opt out of by just not installing them?

matheusmoreira 3y ago

> some of you will even defend that Yeah. Always makes me sad to watch people come to Hacker News and defend the dismantling of everything hacking ever stood for.

TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
You can always buy the device that allows hacking. No one is putting a gun to your head to by an Apple product. If people want to buy a non-hackable Apple product that Apple tightly controls, that’s their business. It doesn’t affect you. You should mind your own business.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  I don't want to buy other devices. I want to buy Apple devices. I think they're just better phones in every way. I should have every right to buy an Apple device and run whatever software I want on it. I shouldn't be forced to use their software and I certainly shouldn't have less choices just because they want to "own" their "platform". These "all or nothing, take it or leave it" propositions are hostile to consumers and should be resisted at all costs. I should be able to get an iPhone without iOS. I sure as hell won't "mind my business" while my freedoms are being denied by rent seeking corporations. If it was up to me, that'd be illegal. Hopefully the EU will put an end to the notion that they can "own" markets. Don't know what spirit possessed them to do it but I ain't gonna argue with a good thing.
  - TerrifiedMouse 3y ago
    Well I don’t want people forcing to Apple to change things when things are working just fine. Currently opening up the browser to others just means Apple will lose control over that part of the UX as Chrome will eventually take over giving Google to have full control of the future of the web. Now you will tell me, “We have Firefox!”. I use Firefox too on PC … tell me how that’s working out market-share wise.
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      I share the same concern. Browser monocultures should absolutely be prevented. Keeping Apple platforms closed is not the answer though. The answer is to separate Chrome from Google.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    Read your comment again and reflect on how you and others have reached total entitlement mentality. Everybody has to bend over backwards to accommodate you, otherwise "your freedoms are being denied" or it's "an abusive relationship" as another hacker wrote here in the thread. There are real people with real problems in this world. Not being able to install Linux on an iPhone is not a real problem. Either purchase products that suit your use or make products that suit your use, it seems beyond being spoiled to demand that somebody else mass produces a product to suit exactly your individual preferences down to the most minute detail. > I shouldn't be forced to use their software Nobody has ever tried to force you or other hackers to use any software. > I should have every right to buy an Apple device and run whatever software I want on it. You can do that if you have the know-how how to take complete control of the device by soldering and making your own microchips and software. Nobody can stop you from opening your iPhone and doing what you want with it.

TerrifiedMouse 3y ago

> Comments like me honestly scare me. If windows was released today, you'd only be allowed to install windows apps through the approved store, and some of you will even defend that. If people want a close platform and all that comes with it, it’s their business. As long as there exist viable open platforms for those who want an alternative, I don’t see the problem.