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OpenAI closes big lease deal at Uber's San Francisco headquarters
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- indus 3y agoIsn’t this the same office where Travis could come out to market st using a secret passage?
- huac 3y agoyou're thinking of 1455 market st. this is 1455 third st. (the coincidence amused me)
- bratao 3y agoOpenAI (https://fortune.com/2023/05/05/openai-ceo-sam-altman-remote-work-mistake-return-to-office/ https://fortune.com/2023/05/05/openai-ceo-sam-altman-remote-...) is a example of a high performing company where remote work is an exception. That's why I say that there is no cake recipe that guarantees that remote or in-person work is better than the other. Each company has its own culture and employees have to look for the culture that makes the most sense for them.
- weird-eye-issue 3y ago"That's why I say that there is no cake recipe that guarantees that remote or in-person work is better than the other." You should really choose a different saying
- hervature 3y agoThe more common expression is "cookie cutter" implying that anyone can follow a simple process to achieve a good result. Cake is hard in general so even having the cake recipe is fairly useless for execution.
- oh_sigh 3y agoIt's true though isn't it? But, I guess, there is also no souffle recipe that guarantees that remote or in-person work is better than the other.
- resolutebat 3y agoWait 'till you taste my AI-generated ramen recipe that does guarantee it! (Spoiler: it contains bleach, and is fed only to those in the office.)
- Jensson 3y agoIs there any large high performing company where remote work is the norm? OpenAI is the normal case here, not the exception.
- rmorey 3y agoGitLab is a famous example
- rapsin4 3y agocan they even be considered "high performing"?
- Gigachad 3y agoFeels like they were ahead around 2018 but just lost all that advantage to GitHub.
- deltree7 3y ago[dead]
- mathverse 3y agoThey are not high performing. They are a mediocre company, not a leader or an innovator and they pay shit wages (60k/pa).
- chrisdbanks 3y agoIf you think top 1% of companies is mediocre then yes. Any company that makes is to their size is way beyond mediocre.
- elliotec 3y agoGitLab? Top 1%? Of what?
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- bugglebeetle 3y agoI would assume no one can work remote because of who they’re actually doing work for vs. it actually being necessary to collaborate.
- mcast 3y agoRemote work seems like a bigger liability for a company which is expecting future legal battles and anti-trust cases, especially since all communications will be entered into discovery. It's easier for VPs to discuss AI ethics in hallways and unrecorded meetings rooms.
- MrOwen 3y agoEh, unless there's current ligation forcing record retention, just having a really short retention period is an easy enough solution.
- cyrux004 3y agoDidnt Sundar ask disappearing messages to be turned on on an internal communcation tool ?
- MrOwen 3y agoI believe so but from what I recall, he still wanted syncing between phone/computer which required the messages be stored at some point, alebeit with an extremely small ttl (minutes? seconds?). This miniscule retention meant the record was created despite a low ttl and so when the record was removed, it became a violation of the court-ordered record retention. Again, this is all just from fuzzy memory but I think that's how it approximately went down.
- Rebelgecko 3y agoYou might be interested in https:// https:// www. jwz.org /gruntle/ rbarip.html (I'm obfuscating the URL a bit because the website's owner does something rude if your browser sends an HN referer header)
- fragmede 3y agohttps://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rbarip.html https://www.jwz.org/gruntle/rbarip.html HN turned off referrer globally, so that no longer happens.
- benatkin 3y agoSimilar to Apple. Apple seems to understand whatever this sort of structure is really well, and have followed it for a long time. Facebook thought they were different but now they seem to need the same. Less openness externally, but a lot of collaboration internally. Google recognized this more quickly than Facebook, but less quickly than Apple.
- ipaddr 3y agoThis is silly when you go into work to remote into meetings with others sitting at their desk in the build across the street. Facebook, Google, Apple have been laying off people. The return to office was about real estate, local power and getting employees to move or quit.
- benatkin 3y agoThat's very much intentional, they often strongly want teams to be in the same room for a significant percent of the time, but vastly prefer internal remote to external remote. There does seem to be a gain for the company, one that very often isn't necessary but all other things equal the company will try to capture. I see the argument that remote work should be mandated as part of labor rights in many more cases than it currently is. Until it is, companies like these will continue to favor on-site work. I need to get out of the habit of calling it in-person work and instead call it on-site work in these cases. Most on-site work has a significant telework component. I should also call it telework when it's on site to avoid confusing it with true remote work. Or whatever the most clear terms are.
- madeofpalk 3y ago> That's why I say that there is no cake recipe that guarantees that remote or in-person work is better than the other. I'm not sure this is all that insightful. I don't think anyone is saying that if you force all your employees into the same physical space (or, you allow for remote work) you will instantly become infinitely successful.
- JambalayaJim 3y agoThere are lots of people online who claim remote work is an asbolutely superior model for any tech company.
- madeofpalk 3y agoThat is a different claim. Remote work can be the absolutely superior model for how/where people work for any tech company, but you still also fail for one of many other reasons companies can fail.
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- unglaublich 3y agoGood for OpenAI, but the fact that this is "news" on the SF real-estate market is quite troubling.
- yieldcrv 3y agohigh key fax, no printer
- addicted 3y agoWith all the doom and gloom SF news, much of which is also unwarranted, it’s reasonable to have some possibly unwarranted, non gloom and doom news as well.
- candiddevmike 3y agoIsn't the real news the recent government commercial to residential conversion ~~bailout~~ incentive?
- fragmede 3y agojust come out and say what you want to say
- candiddevmike 3y agoThe government shouldn't bail out CRE, they should let them fail, spend the money to purchase the properties at bargain auction prices, renovate them, and rent them out at cost. Ideally the government should provide housing to anyone, not means tested, one bedroom per person or partnered couple. Because shelter is a human right.
- closeparen 3y agoThere are more individuals and couples than bedrooms. Now what.
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- flakiness 3y agoI wonder where Uber folks went. They didn't do layoffs in that scale, AFAIK. Have they just shifted to remote? Or moved to some other areas?
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- mikeyouse 3y agoTheir HQ was designed / built when it looked like they would grow forever and before the pandemic encouraged a lot of 'hybrid' options. The complex is (afaik) still 3/4 Uber, 1/4 OpenAI after this - it was nearly 1 million sq ft of office space.
- bobthepanda 3y agoFamously big towers are an indicator that a company or economy is about to slow down hard, since they only get financed during frothy market conditions. The big poster child for this is Sears opening the biggest office tower in the world at the time.
- mips_r4300i 3y agoIt seems to be an indicator for sure. A company that spares no expense on its "ultimate headquarters". Sprint did that in the dotcom days here with there world headquarters. Looked like a giant prison. It quickly was subleased. Counterpoints: Apple so far.
- bobthepanda 3y agoFWIW Apple Park is only half of the size of the Willis (nee Sears) tower.
- lhorie 3y agoUber has four office buildings in SF mission bay. One was never used, the other 3 were underutilized, so employees are going to be moved/consolidated into 2. These buildings also have street-front retail lease spaces, so presumably by having more people coming into the area, that increases foot traffic for those spaces as well.