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Auto Execs Are Coming Clean: EVs Aren't Working in US EVs sell like hotcakes in China and Hong Kong.

by sexy_seedbox 3y ago

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
With enough subsidies you can sell Ferarris like hotcakes to common folk.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  No you can't. Ferraris are impractical, expensive to fuel, expensive to repair, expensive to maintain, unreliable, can't be used on poor roads, hard to get into, have no luggage space, only hold two people, et cetera. Their main appeal is that they signal status. And if they were cheap, they don't do that.
  - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
    Nobody is preventing you from subsidizing those amenities as well.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      Of the ten points they raised, only three can be solved with subsidies, while one other is actively made worse by them. Those three were indeed odd choices for a response to your claim, but still, the other seven stand.
      - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
        Every single point can be solved by subsidies. expensive to fuel - Money problem -> Subsidies, expensive to repair - Money problem -> Subsidies, expensive to maintain - Money problem -> Subsidies unreliable - So you need more than one. Money problem -> Subsidies can't be used on poor roads. https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/ferrari-purosangue https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/ferrari-purosangue hard to get into - See link above. Not at all. have no luggage space. You can overnight your stuff. Money problem -> Subsidies only hold two people - So you need more than one Money problem -> Subsidies
        ben_w 3y ago
        I've never heard of subsidies exceeding 100% of the total cost of a thing. Except for one never-repeated example involving bananas simultaneously on discount and with rewards as if they were on full-price, but that got onto a topical news quiz for being both unusual and insane. If you throw more than 100% of the value of the vehicle at owners, it's no longer just a "subsidy" and is elevated to "a free money scheme". (Which is also exactly what happened with the bananas, why it was insane, and how it ended up in the news). 1: impractical free car = still impractical 2-4: expensive to fuel, expensive to repair, expensive to maintain: the three things I was agreeing with you about 5: unreliable free car = lots of waiting on a highway for the repair people when it breaks down. Also, "so you need more than one" is an absurd reaction when you yourself have also written "50% of people in EU live in an apartment" and "Like those massive commie blocks in Berlin with parking lots planned for 1 car per 3 apartments? Yeah sure, please step out of your bubble, you have no clue what are you talking about" and still would be even if you have (silently) updated your world view based on what I said in that instance. 6: free car that can't be used on poor roads / 7: free car that's hard to get into: your link to a sales pitch does not actually answer anything about #6, though that picture looks like it might solve #7 8: free car that has no luggage space: overnight… to the vet? Overnight… from the supermarket? Overnight… on a ferry or to the airport? Overnight… to the beach or hike, with your sports gear? Overnight… to the campsite? If you're ever taking stuff in a car rather than a delivery/movals van, you probably want to use or hand over the luggage immediately, not pay sometime to attempt to deliver it the next day. 9: free car that only hold two people, et cetera: I see you have no idea why people might want to hold more than two people. Hint: one category takes 9 months, and not only do they really not like being alone, the police take a dim view to it too — and when they need attention, they really need it, even if you can't take your hands of the wheel because you're driving and there's only the two of you in the car. A further category dies of old age before being old enough to get a licence, though they'd never pass the test anyway, and also hates being alone or even just away from their people. And finally, the bit that subsidies make worse: 10. "Their main appeal is that they signal status. And if they were cheap, they don't do that." Make it free, even more so.
trilbyglens 3y ago
Europe too

Auto Execs Are Coming Clean: EVs Aren't Working in US EVs sell like hotcakes in China and Hong Kong.

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago

With enough subsidies you can sell Ferarris like hotcakes to common folk.

bryanlarsen 3y ago
No you can't. Ferraris are impractical, expensive to fuel, expensive to repair, expensive to maintain, unreliable, can't be used on poor roads, hard to get into, have no luggage space, only hold two people, et cetera. Their main appeal is that they signal status. And if they were cheap, they don't do that.
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  Nobody is preventing you from subsidizing those amenities as well.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    Of the ten points they raised, only three can be solved with subsidies, while one other is actively made worse by them. Those three were indeed odd choices for a response to your claim, but still, the other seven stand.
    - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
      Every single point can be solved by subsidies. expensive to fuel - Money problem -> Subsidies, expensive to repair - Money problem -> Subsidies, expensive to maintain - Money problem -> Subsidies unreliable - So you need more than one. Money problem -> Subsidies can't be used on poor roads. https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/ferrari-purosangue https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/ferrari-purosangue hard to get into - See link above. Not at all. have no luggage space. You can overnight your stuff. Money problem -> Subsidies only hold two people - So you need more than one Money problem -> Subsidies
      - ben_w 3y ago
        I've never heard of subsidies exceeding 100% of the total cost of a thing. Except for one never-repeated example involving bananas simultaneously on discount and with rewards as if they were on full-price, but that got onto a topical news quiz for being both unusual and insane. If you throw more than 100% of the value of the vehicle at owners, it's no longer just a "subsidy" and is elevated to "a free money scheme". (Which is also exactly what happened with the bananas, why it was insane, and how it ended up in the news). 1: impractical free car = still impractical 2-4: expensive to fuel, expensive to repair, expensive to maintain: the three things I was agreeing with you about 5: unreliable free car = lots of waiting on a highway for the repair people when it breaks down. Also, "so you need more than one" is an absurd reaction when you yourself have also written "50% of people in EU live in an apartment" and "Like those massive commie blocks in Berlin with parking lots planned for 1 car per 3 apartments? Yeah sure, please step out of your bubble, you have no clue what are you talking about" and still would be even if you have (silently) updated your world view based on what I said in that instance. 6: free car that can't be used on poor roads / 7: free car that's hard to get into: your link to a sales pitch does not actually answer anything about #6, though that picture looks like it might solve #7 8: free car that has no luggage space: overnight… to the vet? Overnight… from the supermarket? Overnight… on a ferry or to the airport? Overnight… to the beach or hike, with your sports gear? Overnight… to the campsite? If you're ever taking stuff in a car rather than a delivery/movals van, you probably want to use or hand over the luggage immediately, not pay sometime to attempt to deliver it the next day. 9: free car that only hold two people, et cetera: I see you have no idea why people might want to hold more than two people. Hint: one category takes 9 months, and not only do they really not like being alone, the police take a dim view to it too — and when they need attention, they really need it, even if you can't take your hands of the wheel because you're driving and there's only the two of you in the car. A further category dies of old age before being old enough to get a licence, though they'd never pass the test anyway, and also hates being alone or even just away from their people. And finally, the bit that subsidies make worse: 10. "Their main appeal is that they signal status. And if they were cheap, they don't do that." Make it free, even more so.

trilbyglens 3y ago

Europe too