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> pronounced: tah-cue-bean I always wince slightly when I see one of these pronunciation guides for words that I actually know how to pronounce, because for so

> pronounced: tah-cue-bean I always wince slightly when I see one of these pronunciation guides for words that I actually know how to pronounce, because for some reason they're never quite right. (I don't know how I'd do better, mind you, and this pronunciation would get the job done.)

glandium 3y ago
Maybe replace tah with tack?
- pjscott 3y ago
  That would fix the consonant germination problem, but it would also shift the vowel. There really are no good answers here.
shiroiuma 3y ago
It's hard to express accurate pronunciation of Japanese to English speakers, in writing, because most of them have no idea what a geminate consonant is. If you're speaking, you can show them just what it sounds like verbally and teach them quickly, but in writing like this it's not so simple.
- Moru 3y ago
  Not to mention dialects, those words are spoken differently depending on where you are from.
justsomehnguy 3y ago
It's even more amusing when you don't know how to spell these in the pronunciation too. But IPA is too hard for Americans.
- unmole 3y ago
  > But IPA is too hard for Americans. Which nationality finds the IPA simple?
  - gdprrrr 3y ago
    There are orthographies devised for some African languages that are basically IPA, but I don't know to what extend these are actually used. Another thing nicht be languages with very small phonetic inventories, like hawaiian, which is almost IPA except for the glottal stop apostrophe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_reference_alphabet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_reference_alphabet
  - justsomehnguy 3y ago
    > Which nationality finds the IPA simple? Found an American? It's not what IPA is simple (it's not hard for sure), it's what 99% of Americans never even had a chance to at least learn what it is. Most of the time when you learn some other language the pronunciation is given in IPA. Guess who almost never learn any other language?
    - unmole 3y ago
      > Found an American? I've never even set foot in the Western Hemisphere, try again. > It's not what IPA is simple (it's not hard for sure), it's what 99% of Americans never even had a chance to at least learn what it is. How does that compare to say China, Brazil or India? > Most of the time when you learn some other language the pronunciation is given in IPA. I have native-level proficiency in 3 languages, all of which use entirely different writing systems. I also studied French in highschool. Guess what I was never taught?
      - justsomehnguy 3y ago
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gdprrrr 3y ago
This just comes down to the difference in the phonological inventories of the two languages. English vowels are especiqlly notorious for being incompatible with many languages. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_%E2%9F%A8a%E2%9F%A9#In_foreign_borrowings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_%E2...

glandium 3y ago

Maybe replace tah with tack?

pjscott 3y ago
That would fix the consonant germination problem, but it would also shift the vowel. There really are no good answers here.

shiroiuma 3y ago

It's hard to express accurate pronunciation of Japanese to English speakers, in writing, because most of them have no idea what a geminate consonant is. If you're speaking, you can show them just what it sounds like verbally and teach them quickly, but in writing like this it's not so simple.

Moru 3y ago
Not to mention dialects, those words are spoken differently depending on where you are from.

justsomehnguy 3y ago

It's even more amusing when you don't know how to spell these in the pronunciation too. But IPA is too hard for Americans.

unmole 3y ago
> But IPA is too hard for Americans. Which nationality finds the IPA simple?
- gdprrrr 3y ago
  There are orthographies devised for some African languages that are basically IPA, but I don't know to what extend these are actually used. Another thing nicht be languages with very small phonetic inventories, like hawaiian, which is almost IPA except for the glottal stop apostrophe. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_reference_alphabet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_reference_alphabet
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  > Which nationality finds the IPA simple? Found an American? It's not what IPA is simple (it's not hard for sure), it's what 99% of Americans never even had a chance to at least learn what it is. Most of the time when you learn some other language the pronunciation is given in IPA. Guess who almost never learn any other language?
  - unmole 3y ago
    > Found an American? I've never even set foot in the Western Hemisphere, try again. > It's not what IPA is simple (it's not hard for sure), it's what 99% of Americans never even had a chance to at least learn what it is. How does that compare to say China, Brazil or India? > Most of the time when you learn some other language the pronunciation is given in IPA. I have native-level proficiency in 3 languages, all of which use entirely different writing systems. I also studied French in highschool. Guess what I was never taught?
    - justsomehnguy 3y ago
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gdprrrr 3y ago

This just comes down to the difference in the phonological inventories of the two languages. English vowels are especiqlly notorious for being incompatible with many languages. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_%E2%9F%A8a%E2%9F%A9#In_foreign_borrowings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation_of_English_%E2...