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Is this an old build or the modern engine? According to steam charts they have 70.1k players in-game right now. I'm intrigued that the 11th highest current pla

Is this an old build or the modern engine? According to steam charts they have 70.1k players in-game right now. I'm intrigued that the 11th highest current player count on steam has native linux support and open sourced their engine? They provide sample files too, I'm not saying they have bad motivations in any way, I'm just curious as to why they decided to do this now. Either way I applaud it!

gpm 3y ago
I would take from the commit messages that this is up to date as of Sunday.
- meheleventyone 3y ago
  This looks like Dagor 4 from that message whereas I think the latest version is 6?
  - gpm 3y ago
    True (at least google confirms that), but the files have headers that look like // // Dagor Engine 6.5 // Copyright (C) 2023 Gaijin Games KFT. All rights reserved // (for conditions of use see prog/license.txt) // Which suggests the repo is just misnamed... which really isn't uncommon. Also seems unlikely there would be active work if this was an old version of the engine, and a lot changed between the 2023-09-15 import and the 2023-10-22 update.
    - dijit 3y ago
      my engine branch of a 2 year old game in development is “UE4” despite the fact that we are running 5.2. At previous companies where we developed a game engine at the same time as the game we were building it for; after releasing the 4th game on that engine it still had the binaries named the codename of the original first game. So, renaming things can be hard or overlooked.
- MROPKHACKER5 3y ago
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SXX 3y ago
Their possible motivation for releasing code as open source is to allow some other Russian companies like VK Group to build their IP on it without having any deals with them directly. Just now VK Group announced their in-home game engine will be based on this code. I can guess that Gaijin Entertainment had some contracts with companies in Russia, but after moving their business out of Russia it's now easiest way to fulfill the terms of some IP licensing deal. Yandex is doing the same thing, but other way around by releasing more and more of their code as open source. It let them to cleanly trasfer IP from Russia-poisoned company to their Israel company.
- IYasha 3y ago
  > from Russia-poisoned company to their Israel company. That sounds really offensive, and not to the companies.
  - SXX 3y ago
    I guess as "proud" owner of Russian passport I have all rights to say that.
    - IYasha 3y ago
      As a person who can't distinguish between people and a government, you don't.
- morkalork 3y ago
  Open source as sanctions busting. Interesting.
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    You know, PGP is “exported” as a book to go around export regulations. So this is not new.
  - SXX 3y ago
    None of the companies are actually under any sanctions, but obviously having any licensing deals or IP transfers with companies located in Russia is legal hazard.
shakow 3y ago
> has native linux support It does, a game or two of Warthunder are my guilty pleasure while waiting for some CI pipelines to finish.
Cthulhu_ 3y ago
Isn't linux support mandatory / a given if they want to run on the Deck or is that a clever emulation layer?
- sho_hn 3y ago
  Most games supported/available on the Deck use a Windows API emulation layer.
  - Xiol32 3y ago
    Wine, thus Proton, is not an emulator.
    - sho_hn 3y ago
      I was expecting this reaction, of course, but that's why I specifically wrote "Windows API emulation layer", which it definitely is. The recursive acronym name was chosen first and foremost because it's funny, but also to make the point that it's not emulating all of Windows, and definitely isn't something like dosbox or Dolphin in terms of implementation strategy. This is true, but we shouldn't allow it to break our language, no matter how much we love the clever meme!
      - viccuad 3y ago
        At that point I would just call it a reimplementation instead of emulation.
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      Proton includes DXVK, and that is a high-level emulator for DirectX by most definitions. Wine isn't an emulator because it doesn't have to be.
- cloudwalk9 3y ago
  To add to the other replies, interesting to note War Thunder itself has had native Linux support since before the Steam Deck. I think it was mostly half-assed/broken until they implemented Vulkan. Now it's flawless in my experience.
euos 3y ago
Russia is self-isolating right now. They are trying to standardize on one engine that does not have ties with West. E.g. they do not want to be at mercy of Unity or Epic. This is a bid for that piece of government sponsorship.
- kgeist 3y ago
  Open-sourcing software and uploading it to a site owned by a US-based company is the opposite of self-isolation.

gpm 3y ago

I would take from the commit messages that this is up to date as of Sunday.

meheleventyone 3y ago
This looks like Dagor 4 from that message whereas I think the latest version is 6?
- gpm 3y ago
  True (at least google confirms that), but the files have headers that look like // // Dagor Engine 6.5 // Copyright (C) 2023 Gaijin Games KFT. All rights reserved // (for conditions of use see prog/license.txt) // Which suggests the repo is just misnamed... which really isn't uncommon. Also seems unlikely there would be active work if this was an old version of the engine, and a lot changed between the 2023-09-15 import and the 2023-10-22 update.
  - dijit 3y ago
    my engine branch of a 2 year old game in development is “UE4” despite the fact that we are running 5.2. At previous companies where we developed a game engine at the same time as the game we were building it for; after releasing the 4th game on that engine it still had the binaries named the codename of the original first game. So, renaming things can be hard or overlooked.
MROPKHACKER5 3y ago
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SXX 3y ago

Their possible motivation for releasing code as open source is to allow some other Russian companies like VK Group to build their IP on it without having any deals with them directly. Just now VK Group announced their in-home game engine will be based on this code. I can guess that Gaijin Entertainment had some contracts with companies in Russia, but after moving their business out of Russia it's now easiest way to fulfill the terms of some IP licensing deal. Yandex is doing the same thing, but other way around by releasing more and more of their code as open source. It let them to cleanly trasfer IP from Russia-poisoned company to their Israel company.

IYasha 3y ago
> from Russia-poisoned company to their Israel company. That sounds really offensive, and not to the companies.
- SXX 3y ago
  I guess as "proud" owner of Russian passport I have all rights to say that.
  - IYasha 3y ago
    As a person who can't distinguish between people and a government, you don't.
morkalork 3y ago
Open source as sanctions busting. Interesting.
- bayindirh 3y ago
  You know, PGP is “exported” as a book to go around export regulations. So this is not new.
- SXX 3y ago
  None of the companies are actually under any sanctions, but obviously having any licensing deals or IP transfers with companies located in Russia is legal hazard.

shakow 3y ago

> has native linux support It does, a game or two of Warthunder are my guilty pleasure while waiting for some CI pipelines to finish.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago

Isn't linux support mandatory / a given if they want to run on the Deck or is that a clever emulation layer?

sho_hn 3y ago
Most games supported/available on the Deck use a Windows API emulation layer.
- Xiol32 3y ago
  Wine, thus Proton, is not an emulator.
  - sho_hn 3y ago
    I was expecting this reaction, of course, but that's why I specifically wrote "Windows API emulation layer", which it definitely is. The recursive acronym name was chosen first and foremost because it's funny, but also to make the point that it's not emulating all of Windows, and definitely isn't something like dosbox or Dolphin in terms of implementation strategy. This is true, but we shouldn't allow it to break our language, no matter how much we love the clever meme!
    - viccuad 3y ago
      At that point I would just call it a reimplementation instead of emulation.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    Proton includes DXVK, and that is a high-level emulator for DirectX by most definitions. Wine isn't an emulator because it doesn't have to be.
cloudwalk9 3y ago
To add to the other replies, interesting to note War Thunder itself has had native Linux support since before the Steam Deck. I think it was mostly half-assed/broken until they implemented Vulkan. Now it's flawless in my experience.

euos 3y ago

Russia is self-isolating right now. They are trying to standardize on one engine that does not have ties with West. E.g. they do not want to be at mercy of Unity or Epic. This is a bid for that piece of government sponsorship.

kgeist 3y ago
Open-sourcing software and uploading it to a site owned by a US-based company is the opposite of self-isolation.