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> Europe won't allow you to become an immigrant there, because they're hyper xenophobic and or extremely racist. [...] They usually call it protecting their cu

> Europe won't allow you to become an immigrant there, because they're hyper xenophobic and or extremely racist. [...] They usually call it protecting their culture, it's really just plain old xenophobia and racism. > Just ask Sweden how their next 30 or so years are starting to look. France has entirely failed for decades at integrating their immigration populations, despite their vaunted welfare state. You seem to be contradicting yourself. The way you put it, European countries are simultaneously closed to immigration and irrationally racist for being this way, and at the same time they're on doomed trajectories due to immigration. If the latter is true, that would be a non-racist justification for anti-immigration policies, but if they were as anti-immigration as you claim those faltering social conditions due to immigration wouldn't exist in the first place. Compare immigration to France and Japan. It's clear which of these countries is actually hostile to immigrants.

parineum 3y ago
Not to take sides, but there's not a contradiction there. The immigration of refugees has been a topic of discussion for some time now (Brexit). Standard immigration is still difficult in most of the EU but there has been an influx of refugees who are primarily poor. I don't agree with the characterization that the policies are due to racism though.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  > I don't agree with the characterization that the policies are due to racism though. Right, it's a clear contradiction. If European countries were "hyper xenophobic and or extremely racist" they would be turning away and deporting those refugees. They're not doing that though, so the characterization of European countries as xenophobic and racist doesn't fit the facts.
  - oytis 3y ago
    The contradiction is between government policies and the society. Government (I am speaking of Germany which I know of, I expect France and Nordics be similar mutatis mutandis) clearly understands that they need immigrants, but the society is inherently nativist (if xenophobic is too strong of a word), and not willing to accept/integrate them.

parineum 3y ago

Not to take sides, but there's not a contradiction there. The immigration of refugees has been a topic of discussion for some time now (Brexit). Standard immigration is still difficult in most of the EU but there has been an influx of refugees who are primarily poor. I don't agree with the characterization that the policies are due to racism though.

mcpackieh 3y ago
> I don't agree with the characterization that the policies are due to racism though. Right, it's a clear contradiction. If European countries were "hyper xenophobic and or extremely racist" they would be turning away and deporting those refugees. They're not doing that though, so the characterization of European countries as xenophobic and racist doesn't fit the facts.
- oytis 3y ago
  The contradiction is between government policies and the society. Government (I am speaking of Germany which I know of, I expect France and Nordics be similar mutatis mutandis) clearly understands that they need immigrants, but the society is inherently nativist (if xenophobic is too strong of a word), and not willing to accept/integrate them.