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What's the likelihood that pharmaceutical companies paid his accusers due to his anti-pharmaceutical media appearances? The timing is extremely coincidental.

kolektiv 3y ago
Not very likely? I mean sure, it's theoretically possible, but like all conspiracies it requires a lot of people to keep a very juicy secret perfectly, so... probably not. The number of people previously well disposed towards pharmaceutical companies that are now not because of Russell Brand probably doesn't have the boards quaking in their boots either - the likely shareholder overlap is not high.
- Theodores 3y ago
  The notion that a conspiracy requires the silence of thousands is a myth. All that is needed is for one person or a small group of people to be a few steps ahead of everyone else and able to manipulate the narrative.
KaiserPro 3y ago
> What's the likelihood that pharmaceutical companies paid his accusers due to his anti-pharmaceutical media appearances not very high, its the UK after all. moreover, the evidence of him being a utter shite predates him going off the deepend by quite some way.
- giobox 3y ago
  > moreover, the evidence of him being a utter shite predates him going off the deepend by quite some way. When I was a lad, we still had this weird concept in the UK's various legal systems of "innocent until proven guilty". The pressure to end his sources of income in the absence of any kind of legitimate justice process, especially from elected officials, is pretty shameful, and I say this as someone who can't stand him either.
  - KaiserPro 3y ago
    I mean we didn't, just look at the red tops reporting on court cases, or indeed entrapping non-famous people in "sex stings" However, I do understand your point, and empathise deeply.
almatabata 3y ago
They do not need to. You only need one journalist from a newspaper to investigate him and find the accusers and report on it. You do not even need to pay them for it just tip them off. In this context probably people saw his start rising and checked if they could find some dirt on him. Or one of victims saw him get famous and contacted a journalist. It looks expedient but his increased coverage could have simply triggered the research and now it looks like they only did it because of his covid message.
- nvm0n2 3y ago
  No need to speculate, the accusers said specifically that they "came forward" because of the popularity of his YouTube channel. It was printed in the Times. The fact that some people still listen to them after that is a damning indictment of how evil #believeallwomen actually is. If they can't be bothered reporting accusations until there political reasons to do so they should automatically be found guilty of slander, imo.
  - almatabata 3y ago
    > No need to speculate, the accusers said specifically that they "came forward" because of the popularity of his YouTube channel. Sure but if you think that she is getting paid then you might not trust what she is saying. > The fact that some people still listen to them after that is a damning indictment of how evil #believeallwomen actually is. The believe all women phrase was stupid the moment it got uttered. Only extremists actually believe it. They should have said listen to all women but not believe everything blindly. Most people can get behind listening to victims when they come forward. > If they can't be bothered reporting accusations until there political reasons to do so they should automatically be found guilty of slander, imo. Their motives do not matter to me if they tell the truth. If he is a predator he should face punishment for his crimes. But until a court convicts him he is innocent and has a right to a fair trial.
Clubber 3y ago
Sadly, if it were true, I wouldn't be surprised. Brand has made a lot of enemies out of powerful people with his political commentary. Assange did the same thing and IIRC, he was also accused of rape.
- Projectiboga 3y ago
  Actually Assange was charged with rape for failing to take an STD test after consensual sex, the 'victim' came at him awhile after the one night stand.
  - Clubber 3y ago
    IIRC, the media then blew it up and that started the extradition process that lead him into hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy for a bunch of years.

kolektiv 3y ago

Not very likely? I mean sure, it's theoretically possible, but like all conspiracies it requires a lot of people to keep a very juicy secret perfectly, so... probably not. The number of people previously well disposed towards pharmaceutical companies that are now not because of Russell Brand probably doesn't have the boards quaking in their boots either - the likely shareholder overlap is not high.

Theodores 3y ago
The notion that a conspiracy requires the silence of thousands is a myth. All that is needed is for one person or a small group of people to be a few steps ahead of everyone else and able to manipulate the narrative.

KaiserPro 3y ago

> What's the likelihood that pharmaceutical companies paid his accusers due to his anti-pharmaceutical media appearances not very high, its the UK after all. moreover, the evidence of him being a utter shite predates him going off the deepend by quite some way.

giobox 3y ago
> moreover, the evidence of him being a utter shite predates him going off the deepend by quite some way. When I was a lad, we still had this weird concept in the UK's various legal systems of "innocent until proven guilty". The pressure to end his sources of income in the absence of any kind of legitimate justice process, especially from elected officials, is pretty shameful, and I say this as someone who can't stand him either.
- KaiserPro 3y ago
  I mean we didn't, just look at the red tops reporting on court cases, or indeed entrapping non-famous people in "sex stings" However, I do understand your point, and empathise deeply.

almatabata 3y ago

They do not need to. You only need one journalist from a newspaper to investigate him and find the accusers and report on it. You do not even need to pay them for it just tip them off. In this context probably people saw his start rising and checked if they could find some dirt on him. Or one of victims saw him get famous and contacted a journalist. It looks expedient but his increased coverage could have simply triggered the research and now it looks like they only did it because of his covid message.

nvm0n2 3y ago
No need to speculate, the accusers said specifically that they "came forward" because of the popularity of his YouTube channel. It was printed in the Times. The fact that some people still listen to them after that is a damning indictment of how evil #believeallwomen actually is. If they can't be bothered reporting accusations until there political reasons to do so they should automatically be found guilty of slander, imo.
- almatabata 3y ago
  > No need to speculate, the accusers said specifically that they "came forward" because of the popularity of his YouTube channel. Sure but if you think that she is getting paid then you might not trust what she is saying. > The fact that some people still listen to them after that is a damning indictment of how evil #believeallwomen actually is. The believe all women phrase was stupid the moment it got uttered. Only extremists actually believe it. They should have said listen to all women but not believe everything blindly. Most people can get behind listening to victims when they come forward. > If they can't be bothered reporting accusations until there political reasons to do so they should automatically be found guilty of slander, imo. Their motives do not matter to me if they tell the truth. If he is a predator he should face punishment for his crimes. But until a court convicts him he is innocent and has a right to a fair trial.

Clubber 3y ago

Sadly, if it were true, I wouldn't be surprised. Brand has made a lot of enemies out of powerful people with his political commentary. Assange did the same thing and IIRC, he was also accused of rape.

Projectiboga 3y ago
Actually Assange was charged with rape for failing to take an STD test after consensual sex, the 'victim' came at him awhile after the one night stand.
- Clubber 3y ago
  IIRC, the media then blew it up and that started the extradition process that lead him into hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy for a bunch of years.