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> Yes there are problems in America, We live in a world where a large subset of people have fooled themselves into believing that there's some other place with

> Yes there are problems in America, We live in a world where a large subset of people have fooled themselves into believing that there's some other place without problems. If where you live has any problems, then it must be an awful place to live - so their thinking goes. This group, for whatever reason, don't seem to weigh the pros and cons of every other place and see that most places are either hardly any better or MUCH worse. Italy, Spain, France, and England were great for hundreds of years before the US, and they're still pretty damn good - all things considered. The odds that the US goes from the global leader for two hundred years and turns to a sh*t-hole in our lifetimes is pretty unlikely. But somehow ~40% of the country convinces themselves this is true based on who the current president is - and, honestly, it seems like not much else.

rewmie 3y ago
> We live in a world where a large subset of people have fooled themselves into believing that there's some other place without problems. If where you live has any problems, then it must be an awful place to live - so their thinking goes. This reads like a straw man. Just because some place arguably has issues that does not mean that it it just as bad as the one you're living on, or that your life won't improve your life by adopting or emulating the good examples. Healthcare is a great example. I'm convinced that the average US citizen has absolutely no idea of the critical positive impact on quality of life and well-being that socialized healthcare has on all citizens, directly and indirectly. It goes way deeper than not risking going bankrupt for being in a car accident, or being able to treat your nagging minor health issue without having to tap a credit line. It affects things like being confident that your loved ones will have all the care they need if something bad and unfortunate happens to them, regardless of who you are ir where your career is at the moment.
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
  > Just because some place arguably has issues that does not mean that it it just as bad as the one you're living on, or that your life won't improve your life by adopting or emulating the good examples. Just because you adopt a change doesn't mean you'll adopt an outcome. Proposing sweeping changes is easy - making them work is hard and prone to making things even worse instead.
  - imbnwa 3y ago
    >Proposing sweeping changes is easy - making them work is hard and prone to making things even worse instead. The US has the worse outcomes for the amount of money its Healthcare industry funnels in.
  - rewmie 3y ago
    > Just because you adopt a change doesn't mean you'll adopt an outcome. You don't adopt changes. You adopt or emulate good examples. This means processes, and the goal of processes is to deliver an outcome. It's not change for the sake of change. Also, when a nation lags behind so much in a fundamental area, just taking a step in the right direction has a major positive impact on the quality of life of those affected by it. As a good example, see Obamacare.

rewmie 3y ago

> We live in a world where a large subset of people have fooled themselves into believing that there's some other place without problems. If where you live has any problems, then it must be an awful place to live - so their thinking goes. This reads like a straw man. Just because some place arguably has issues that does not mean that it it just as bad as the one you're living on, or that your life won't improve your life by adopting or emulating the good examples. Healthcare is a great example. I'm convinced that the average US citizen has absolutely no idea of the critical positive impact on quality of life and well-being that socialized healthcare has on all citizens, directly and indirectly. It goes way deeper than not risking going bankrupt for being in a car accident, or being able to treat your nagging minor health issue without having to tap a credit line. It affects things like being confident that your loved ones will have all the care they need if something bad and unfortunate happens to them, regardless of who you are ir where your career is at the moment.

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
> Just because some place arguably has issues that does not mean that it it just as bad as the one you're living on, or that your life won't improve your life by adopting or emulating the good examples. Just because you adopt a change doesn't mean you'll adopt an outcome. Proposing sweeping changes is easy - making them work is hard and prone to making things even worse instead.
- imbnwa 3y ago
  >Proposing sweeping changes is easy - making them work is hard and prone to making things even worse instead. The US has the worse outcomes for the amount of money its Healthcare industry funnels in.
- rewmie 3y ago
  > Just because you adopt a change doesn't mean you'll adopt an outcome. You don't adopt changes. You adopt or emulate good examples. This means processes, and the goal of processes is to deliver an outcome. It's not change for the sake of change. Also, when a nation lags behind so much in a fundamental area, just taking a step in the right direction has a major positive impact on the quality of life of those affected by it. As a good example, see Obamacare.