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Has there ever been a country in history so obviously doing bad things with so much worldwide support, especially from the west?

stvltvs 3y ago
Saudi Arabia?
- djoletina 3y ago
  You think Saudi Arabia has public support? If this dude posted about Saudi Arabia doing something bad, would he be fired?
  - stvltvs 3y ago
    Not in American public opinion, but the US government has a very supportive relationship. So I guess it depends on what kind of support we're talking about. https://www.state.gov/united-states-saudi-arabia-relationship-eight-decades-of-partnership/ https://www.state.gov/united-states-saudi-arabia-relationshi...
jacknews 3y ago
Yes this whole thing is bullshit. Hamas obviously are a bunch of evil barbarians. On the other hand, they're spawned from decades of systematic oppression of Palestinians (I've seen it fh) by Israel, isrealis, and their insecurity. And now the world is basically standing-by, if not encouraging events, while Israel freely exacts revenge, if not genocide, justified by Hamas' atrocious (but quite predictable) outburst. Do they really think removing 'radical elements' (along with whatever collateral damage) will solve the problem? I feel myself becoming more radical just by watching events, and I have absolutely no connection whatsoever to the region.
- djoletina 3y ago
  Exactly! No country in the world gets a blanket permission to level an entire city with zero consequences.
  - readthenotes1 3y ago
    Don't tell that to the war lords of WW2
invalidname 3y ago
Israel did a lot of bad things. In this particular case it's doing something that's generally right. Destroying the Hamas is 100% the right thing to do. It's an evil movement that must be eliminated, there's no middle ground here or two sides. To qualify the difference in levels lets look at the situation over the past week. Israel told civilians to move out of the northern part of Gaza so they won't get hurt. Hamas blocked the roads so civilians won't leave. They use their own people as human shields. They kidnapped civilian women, children and elderly people. They are evil. Innocent people sometimes get hurt when rooting out evil. That's terrible. But the Hamas must be removed for the sake of the people in Gaza almost as much as for the sake of the people in Israel. Worldwide support is right. People who actually understand the issue have uniformly come out in favor of this. Some smart people have said stupid things here, like calling for a ceasefire. That isn't an option. Every time the Hamas was given leeway it has used that to arm itself and attack. E.g. a few years back 1,000 Hamas detainees were released to free one kidnapped Israeli soldier. They promised that they would not attack as a condition of their release. Yet most of them took a part in the October 7th attack. To make matters worse they focused on kidnappings, they learned the effect that has.
- jemmyw 3y ago
  At this point Israeli actions in Gaza have killed about 3x as many civilians as Hamas did. Hamas did an evil deed but the response Israel is taking is going to make more terrorists. There was a story yesterday about a journalist whose entire family was killed by an Israeli shelling. That's just as evil at the atrocities Hamas committed and support for Israel will ebb if that is their approach.
  - mitthrowaway2 3y ago
    Not to dispute your point, but do you have a source regarding Israeli actions killing 3x as many civilians as Hamas? This would be an important fact for updating my perspective if it's true.
    - jpcfl 3y ago
      It’s comparing apples and oranges, since Hamas deliberately targets Israeli civilians, while using Palestinian civilians as human shields. Many Palestinian casualties are Hamas’s fault, not IDF.
raxxorraxor 3y ago
Oh, yes. The conflict is a long one, but if you only account for death, it is not particularly deadly. Of course that is relative. The impression that Israel is particularly egregious is often plain prejudice. How dare they defend themselves.

stvltvs 3y ago

Saudi Arabia?

djoletina 3y ago
You think Saudi Arabia has public support? If this dude posted about Saudi Arabia doing something bad, would he be fired?
- stvltvs 3y ago
  Not in American public opinion, but the US government has a very supportive relationship. So I guess it depends on what kind of support we're talking about. https://www.state.gov/united-states-saudi-arabia-relationship-eight-decades-of-partnership/ https://www.state.gov/united-states-saudi-arabia-relationshi...

jacknews 3y ago

Yes this whole thing is bullshit. Hamas obviously are a bunch of evil barbarians. On the other hand, they're spawned from decades of systematic oppression of Palestinians (I've seen it fh) by Israel, isrealis, and their insecurity. And now the world is basically standing-by, if not encouraging events, while Israel freely exacts revenge, if not genocide, justified by Hamas' atrocious (but quite predictable) outburst. Do they really think removing 'radical elements' (along with whatever collateral damage) will solve the problem? I feel myself becoming more radical just by watching events, and I have absolutely no connection whatsoever to the region.

djoletina 3y ago
Exactly! No country in the world gets a blanket permission to level an entire city with zero consequences.
- readthenotes1 3y ago
  Don't tell that to the war lords of WW2

invalidname 3y ago

Israel did a lot of bad things. In this particular case it's doing something that's generally right. Destroying the Hamas is 100% the right thing to do. It's an evil movement that must be eliminated, there's no middle ground here or two sides. To qualify the difference in levels lets look at the situation over the past week. Israel told civilians to move out of the northern part of Gaza so they won't get hurt. Hamas blocked the roads so civilians won't leave. They use their own people as human shields. They kidnapped civilian women, children and elderly people. They are evil. Innocent people sometimes get hurt when rooting out evil. That's terrible. But the Hamas must be removed for the sake of the people in Gaza almost as much as for the sake of the people in Israel. Worldwide support is right. People who actually understand the issue have uniformly come out in favor of this. Some smart people have said stupid things here, like calling for a ceasefire. That isn't an option. Every time the Hamas was given leeway it has used that to arm itself and attack. E.g. a few years back 1,000 Hamas detainees were released to free one kidnapped Israeli soldier. They promised that they would not attack as a condition of their release. Yet most of them took a part in the October 7th attack. To make matters worse they focused on kidnappings, they learned the effect that has.

jemmyw 3y ago
At this point Israeli actions in Gaza have killed about 3x as many civilians as Hamas did. Hamas did an evil deed but the response Israel is taking is going to make more terrorists. There was a story yesterday about a journalist whose entire family was killed by an Israeli shelling. That's just as evil at the atrocities Hamas committed and support for Israel will ebb if that is their approach.
- mitthrowaway2 3y ago
  Not to dispute your point, but do you have a source regarding Israeli actions killing 3x as many civilians as Hamas? This would be an important fact for updating my perspective if it's true.
  - jpcfl 3y ago
    It’s comparing apples and oranges, since Hamas deliberately targets Israeli civilians, while using Palestinian civilians as human shields. Many Palestinian casualties are Hamas’s fault, not IDF.

raxxorraxor 3y ago

Oh, yes. The conflict is a long one, but if you only account for death, it is not particularly deadly. Of course that is relative. The impression that Israel is particularly egregious is often plain prejudice. How dare they defend themselves.