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This comment is absurd. > Edge has objectively been better than Chrome on Windows No, Edge is not "objectively" better. It is not even better privacy wise, se

This comment is absurd. > Edge has objectively been better than Chrome on Windows No, Edge is not "objectively" better. It is not even better privacy wise, seeing that it will sell it's users for anything (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29288052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29288052), I can paste more and more such examples. Two products which are this similar can not be "objectively" better than each other enough to force one down everyone's throat. > but almost nobody knows this as people still default to installing Chrome out of 10+ years of habit. Then MSFT should fire their marketing department and start afresh. People know about other browsers like Vivaldi and Brave so they can clearly be explained about Edge's virtues with the immense MSFT budget. > Humans are creatures of habit and the bad and good impressions from the old days tend to stick around regrades if the current realities have shifted, By this logic all agency can be taken from people and they should be forced to use products deemed "objectively better". > So market success in the browser space is clearly no longer about having the better product, but about having the stronger brand and supporting ecosystem. Regardless of my views on the demerits of Edge, this is true of every industry and if MSFT doesn't know how to build a brand and ecosystem, clearly lots of execs need to step down.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>No, Edge is not "objectively" better. Which benchmarks have you looked at to make this contradiction? It definetly is objectively better on Windows if you look at benchmarks on speed, memory usage and battery life, which is what most average users care about in a browers, and the reason why most switched from IE to Chrome originally. Your average user has no idea nor do they care about the whole online privacy implications of a browser or any other SW product or service, otherwise they would have never touched Chrome, the product of an ad company, in the first place. >By this logic all agency can be taken from people and they should be forced to use products deemed "objectively better". You're drawing some really silly straw-men here for you to fight. >if MSFT doesn't know how to build a brand and ecosystem, clearly lots of execs need to step down. Agreed, but when was the last time you saw a big corp perform mass layoffs of execs?
- chankstein38 3y ago
  So I just Googled "2023 browser benchmarks" and aside from one result that went Firefox, Edge, ..., Chrome, every single one I've read has been "1. Chrome 2. Edge ..." Obviously Google could be biasing the results so I asked ChatGPT with Bing and got: 1. Google Chrome 2. Microsoft Edge
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Did you also check battery life and memory usage? That's more noticeable than a website loading 1% faster in Chrome. Sure, now Chrome can also sleep inactive tabs now to save memory, but that's relative recent feature, while Edge had this for over 2 years.
    - crop_rotation 3y ago
      You made a very strong claim of Edge being objectively better. When I pointed Edge privacy issue you narrowed objectivity to 3 metrics of your choice. When another commenter said Edge is better in one of those, you stick with the remaining 2. Edge might be better at some things sure, but then we are very far off from Edge being "objectively" better, otherwise every MSFT product will be "objectively" better than competition since one can always chose 2 random metrics that favour one product over other.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        Metrics weren't random but exactly those metrics that mattered for the users switching from IE to Chrome: speed, ram usage, battery usage. Here's the first results on Google from a review on October 2023: "Edge performs similar to Chrome in benchmarks, but has markedly lower RAM usage when you open some tabs. We're declaring Edge the winner in performance, which is quite a turnaround for Microsoft, the company that made Internet Explorer." Source: https://www.androidauthority.com/chrome-vs-edge-3298624/ https://www.androidauthority.com/chrome-vs-edge-3298624/
- hulitu 3y ago

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>No, Edge is not "objectively" better. Which benchmarks have you looked at to make this contradiction? It definetly is objectively better on Windows if you look at benchmarks on speed, memory usage and battery life, which is what most average users care about in a browers, and the reason why most switched from IE to Chrome originally. Your average user has no idea nor do they care about the whole online privacy implications of a browser or any other SW product or service, otherwise they would have never touched Chrome, the product of an ad company, in the first place. >By this logic all agency can be taken from people and they should be forced to use products deemed "objectively better". You're drawing some really silly straw-men here for you to fight. >if MSFT doesn't know how to build a brand and ecosystem, clearly lots of execs need to step down. Agreed, but when was the last time you saw a big corp perform mass layoffs of execs?

chankstein38 3y ago
So I just Googled "2023 browser benchmarks" and aside from one result that went Firefox, Edge, ..., Chrome, every single one I've read has been "1. Chrome 2. Edge ..." Obviously Google could be biasing the results so I asked ChatGPT with Bing and got: 1. Google Chrome 2. Microsoft Edge
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Did you also check battery life and memory usage? That's more noticeable than a website loading 1% faster in Chrome. Sure, now Chrome can also sleep inactive tabs now to save memory, but that's relative recent feature, while Edge had this for over 2 years.
  - crop_rotation 3y ago
    You made a very strong claim of Edge being objectively better. When I pointed Edge privacy issue you narrowed objectivity to 3 metrics of your choice. When another commenter said Edge is better in one of those, you stick with the remaining 2. Edge might be better at some things sure, but then we are very far off from Edge being "objectively" better, otherwise every MSFT product will be "objectively" better than competition since one can always chose 2 random metrics that favour one product over other.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      Metrics weren't random but exactly those metrics that mattered for the users switching from IE to Chrome: speed, ram usage, battery usage. Here's the first results on Google from a review on October 2023: "Edge performs similar to Chrome in benchmarks, but has markedly lower RAM usage when you open some tabs. We're declaring Edge the winner in performance, which is quite a turnaround for Microsoft, the company that made Internet Explorer." Source: https://www.androidauthority.com/chrome-vs-edge-3298624/ https://www.androidauthority.com/chrome-vs-edge-3298624/
hulitu 3y ago