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I’m about as far left as they come, but things like this make me proud to be an American, and even more so live in a state with a massive number of immigrants,

I’m about as far left as they come, but things like this make me proud to be an American, and even more so live in a state with a massive number of immigrants, including from majority Muslim countries, and the world’s 5th largest economy. The bigotry in Europe is just psychotic. You sometimes get a real picture into why they murdered each other for centuries over speaking minor variations of each others languages.

NoImmatureAdHom 3y ago
As I pointed out elsewhere, it's really quite hard to believe it's bigotry on the basis of skin color or language. The mix of immigrants they have commit violent crimes (robbery, rape, murder) at several multiples of the Danish population. It's resulted in graphs that look like this: https://www.statista.com/statistics/576081/number-of-sexual-crimes-in-denmark/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/576081/number-of-sexual-...
pjc50 3y ago
There's a direct feedback loop between EU bigotry and US bigotry. They go to each other's conferences and read each other's publications. And the conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel etc radicalize both sides.
- bugglebeetle 3y ago
  I don’t disagree, but you can go to Los Angeles, where something like 40% of people don’t speak English at home and see there are no actual problems with massive numbers of immigrants and mixing cultures. All the social problems that do exist (e.g. with housing and homelessness) are the result of the rich waging battle against the poor. The food is also a hell of a lot better than Northern Europe and we share it with each others children.
  - anthk 3y ago
    These issues will change when people fought for his labour rights and not for a culture they weren't part from long ago. They relatives where Hispanics, maybe; but by just watching the 'quality' of translations of some public traffic signs iinto Spanish, as I Spaniard I could say these people are barely Hispanic, they have no bounds to any of the zilions of Hispanic subcultures; and, even worse, they aren't even fluent in their supposed 'own' language. So the best these people could do would be to keep their customs such as the gastronomy and join the Anglosphere without a hitch.
    - bugglebeetle 3y ago
      This is exactly what I would expect a European to say about people whose culture is a mixture of indigenous traditions, Spanish colonialism, and its intersection with all the other parts of Southern California. Yes, we’re not upholding honorable Hispanic traditions, nor do we want to. We’ve arrived at something more tolerant, and it’s certainly not representative of the wider “Anglosphere”. Half the people in the US hate California for its cultural differences. You think Brits are going to feel right at home in East LA? Give me a break.
      - anthk 3y ago
        Spain itself it's a mixture between different kingdoms, indigenous cultures, self-imposed Castillian colonialism (and, mostly, utilitarianism on commerce by using Castillian back in the day), and yet everyone agrees on using a common core of values, rights and language to be able to communicate between ourselves. The Andalusians and Valencian/Catalans are both located in the Mediterranean and they can have huge cultural related differences and traits, and they can differ a universe from the Castilles and the Northern Spain which is a bit less "partier" than the always-sunny Southern part of Spain. Also, you have microclimates and microcultures in these regions. Yet, I repeat, a common background it's stated by pure practicalism. It's either that, or isolation and poverty. Because if you have a look on the map of Spain, you'll find that half of the map of Iberia it's crossed by mountain ranges creating isolated regions up to very recent years (relatively compared to the Middle Ages), making the cultures of Spain anything but homogenous.

NoImmatureAdHom 3y ago

As I pointed out elsewhere, it's really quite hard to believe it's bigotry on the basis of skin color or language. The mix of immigrants they have commit violent crimes (robbery, rape, murder) at several multiples of the Danish population. It's resulted in graphs that look like this: https://www.statista.com/statistics/576081/number-of-sexual-crimes-in-denmark/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/576081/number-of-sexual-...

pjc50 3y ago

There's a direct feedback loop between EU bigotry and US bigotry. They go to each other's conferences and read each other's publications. And the conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel etc radicalize both sides.

bugglebeetle 3y ago
I don’t disagree, but you can go to Los Angeles, where something like 40% of people don’t speak English at home and see there are no actual problems with massive numbers of immigrants and mixing cultures. All the social problems that do exist (e.g. with housing and homelessness) are the result of the rich waging battle against the poor. The food is also a hell of a lot better than Northern Europe and we share it with each others children.
- anthk 3y ago
  These issues will change when people fought for his labour rights and not for a culture they weren't part from long ago. They relatives where Hispanics, maybe; but by just watching the 'quality' of translations of some public traffic signs iinto Spanish, as I Spaniard I could say these people are barely Hispanic, they have no bounds to any of the zilions of Hispanic subcultures; and, even worse, they aren't even fluent in their supposed 'own' language. So the best these people could do would be to keep their customs such as the gastronomy and join the Anglosphere without a hitch.
  - bugglebeetle 3y ago
    This is exactly what I would expect a European to say about people whose culture is a mixture of indigenous traditions, Spanish colonialism, and its intersection with all the other parts of Southern California. Yes, we’re not upholding honorable Hispanic traditions, nor do we want to. We’ve arrived at something more tolerant, and it’s certainly not representative of the wider “Anglosphere”. Half the people in the US hate California for its cultural differences. You think Brits are going to feel right at home in East LA? Give me a break.
    - anthk 3y ago
      Spain itself it's a mixture between different kingdoms, indigenous cultures, self-imposed Castillian colonialism (and, mostly, utilitarianism on commerce by using Castillian back in the day), and yet everyone agrees on using a common core of values, rights and language to be able to communicate between ourselves. The Andalusians and Valencian/Catalans are both located in the Mediterranean and they can have huge cultural related differences and traits, and they can differ a universe from the Castilles and the Northern Spain which is a bit less "partier" than the always-sunny Southern part of Spain. Also, you have microclimates and microcultures in these regions. Yet, I repeat, a common background it's stated by pure practicalism. It's either that, or isolation and poverty. Because if you have a look on the map of Spain, you'll find that half of the map of Iberia it's crossed by mountain ranges creating isolated regions up to very recent years (relatively compared to the Middle Ages), making the cultures of Spain anything but homogenous.