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>a good police force What do you expect the police to do in this situation? They can't just walk into people's homes over your word. OP at least had a noise wh

>a good police force What do you expect the police to do in this situation? They can't just walk into people's homes over your word. OP at least had a noise which in the states I assume is probable cause or something. And even then they'd have to come back with a warrant but got the headphones because the suspect felt defeated. Your situation is bizarre, the helpless feeling of knowing where your stolen item is and not be able to do anything about it. But it's not solvable by the police unless you have more evidence. For example you could have recorded your neighbor saying those things to you. Here in Sweden petty theft is 99% an insurance issue. I even heard one case where their boat was stolen with an airtag on it and it was traced to a particular driveway. The police here won't even pick up the case, it goes into a pile of other theft cases and the owner can use the ID to file an insurance claim. It's very sad on the surface. But maybe they have their reasons.

starfleet_bop 3y ago
File a civil claim, burden of proof is even lower.
guntherhermann 3y ago
>The POD had a photo of the front door and the person. I recognised the front door as it was on a local estate. What more evidence do you need?
- INTPenis 3y ago
  Ok I just read on a delivery company website that they have in fact started taking photos of the moment of delivery. Wow. That is incredible. Here I always opt for delivery at a pick up location and use my electronic ID to pick it up so I had never expected delivery drivers to take, and store, photos of people.
  - kwhitefoot 3y ago
    Photos are useless unless they are photos of the person and goods together. A DHL courier claimed that I had signed for a package and claimed that a picture of my postbox with an envelope in it was proof of delivery.
  - 4ndr3vv 3y ago
    Had a delivery yesterday where the driver (Evri) had to wave his handheld around for a bit, as it wouldnt let him confim delivery as it thought he was 100m down the road!
    - baz00 3y ago
      Evri / Hermes have got their act together recently. Least unreliable delivery company.
      - razakel 3y ago
        They're called that because they fuck up Evri delivery. "Your parcel is on the way." "Your parcel is being used as a football by the warehouse staff." "Your parcel is in Antarctica." "Your parcel has somehow been delivered to your roof."
  - HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago
    I had this happen with FedEx a couple weeks ago for the first time. We get a lot of packages so I was surprised. The delivery person gave me the box then ran back to me as I was walking away. "I have to take a photo to prove I delivered it." He puts it down on the ground and photographs it. Not sure what a picture of a box on a nondescript driveway would prove, but I guess he had to do it.
bloqs 3y ago
They have no reasons other than budget induced apathy. The evidence of a crime is available and their lack of willingness to act is seriously telling
- helsinkiandrew 3y ago
  > They have no reasons other than budget induced apathy I'm not sure that's the case - the UK police are rigorously judged on the amount of cases they solve. If it was a slam dunk they would have done it.
  - oynqr 3y ago
    Is that why they book butter knives as real weapons?
    - helsinkiandrew 3y ago
      A dull blade is more dangerous than a sharp one!
      - porkbeer 3y ago
        Plenty of dull blades around, many of them walking about.
stef25 3y ago
> They can't just walk into people's homes over your word Officer I was kidnapped, taken to this address and violently raped. "Sorry we just walk in to people's homes over your word" ? Half a dozen other scenarios come to mind.
- giantg2 3y ago
  Sure, there are emergency circumstances exceptions (not the case in this scenario). In general you would need a warrant with probable cause. That probable cause to get the warrant could be your sworn statement. So they can't just walk in over your word. I has to be your word plus either a warrant or exigent circumstance.
Wytwwww 3y ago
> But maybe they have their reasons. Like what reasons? It's somewhat understandable that police might not want to investigate theft of relatively cheap item because they have to prioritize. But a stolen boat? At the very least it warrants some further investigation. Them dismissing it outright just seems bizarre since they do have some evidence they at least should come and talk to the owner.
yardstick 3y ago
> OP at least had a noise which in the states I assume is probable cause or something. Isn’t a signal that is within a few feet of the door you want to enter good enough? It’s more authenticate than some random noise - you know it’s your device and not some random device emitting find my data. Sounds like policing or judicial approach is outdated. If a police officer sees the stolen goods inside via a window, they can enter right? How are RF waves that they can see coming inside the property, and uniquely identify the property, any different?
- giantg2 3y ago
  It's not a random noise if you can trigger it. Better to have the signal and the controlled noise if possible. You can't see the RF waves in the same way as sight. It is possible that the RF is ducting or has some other propagation phenomenon. And that's assuming you are even able to connect to the device and not just viewing it's location through the network, which could have precise location issues. Two sources are better than one.
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baz00 3y ago
I had a POD, invoice, proof of purchase with serial number on it. Basically evidence. If the police can't take evidence and solve a crime then fuck 'em.
- dist-epoch 3y ago
  That's not really enough since you could for example have sold the device to him and then call the police.
  - baz00 3y ago
    I could have indeed but that would be his risk if he didn't obtain proof of purchase or take an invoice or sales receipt from me. Paperwork exists for a reason.
    - dist-epoch 3y ago
      Right. The point is that it would require a full police investigation, interviews, etc... In my view at fault in these cases is the delivery company, they are in a hurry and don't bother doing a proper job. If they would be forced to eat the cost, this wouldn't happen anymore. Basically they are outsourcing their job to the police force.
      - bomewish 3y ago
        That’s the point of the cops bro.
      - baz00 3y ago
        AFAIK I pay for taxes to get a police force that does this no?
coldtea 3y ago
>What do you expect the police to do in this situation? They can't just walk into people's homes over your word. He had ordered it, so had the order, he had the delivery picture, and so on. And even if people can't just "walk into people's homes over your word" they could still knock on them, question the person, and investigate the theft complaint.
EGreg 3y ago
Sad? Non-violent crime such as parking tickets, littering, playing the music too loud and petty theft should not involve armed officers showing up. This presents needless chances for escalation. The “defund the police” movement was onto something - but it has to be spelled out. - offload many of their jobs to metermaids and other ticket-issuers and keep armed POLICE for things like robberies, no-knock raids, breaking up fights and arresting violent criminals etc. Most civil disputes can be - and are - handled by banks and insurance companies. This includes auto accidents and credit card chargebacks. Not even the justice system (public courts) need to get involved, they handle thousands of cases a day. But don’t let everyone write tickets or it will go too far: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJYaXy5mmA8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJYaXy5mmA8
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  > The “defund the police” movement was onto something - but it has to be spelled out. - offload many of their jobs to metermaids and other ticket-issuers and keep armed POLICE for things like robberies, no-knock raids, breaking up fights and arresting violent criminals etc. This is hugely different to what I understood from anyone in favour of defunding the police to mean.

starfleet_bop 3y ago

File a civil claim, burden of proof is even lower.

guntherhermann 3y ago

>The POD had a photo of the front door and the person. I recognised the front door as it was on a local estate. What more evidence do you need?

INTPenis 3y ago
Ok I just read on a delivery company website that they have in fact started taking photos of the moment of delivery. Wow. That is incredible. Here I always opt for delivery at a pick up location and use my electronic ID to pick it up so I had never expected delivery drivers to take, and store, photos of people.
- kwhitefoot 3y ago
  Photos are useless unless they are photos of the person and goods together. A DHL courier claimed that I had signed for a package and claimed that a picture of my postbox with an envelope in it was proof of delivery.
- 4ndr3vv 3y ago
  Had a delivery yesterday where the driver (Evri) had to wave his handheld around for a bit, as it wouldnt let him confim delivery as it thought he was 100m down the road!
  - baz00 3y ago
    Evri / Hermes have got their act together recently. Least unreliable delivery company.
    - razakel 3y ago
      They're called that because they fuck up Evri delivery. "Your parcel is on the way." "Your parcel is being used as a football by the warehouse staff." "Your parcel is in Antarctica." "Your parcel has somehow been delivered to your roof."
- HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago
  I had this happen with FedEx a couple weeks ago for the first time. We get a lot of packages so I was surprised. The delivery person gave me the box then ran back to me as I was walking away. "I have to take a photo to prove I delivered it." He puts it down on the ground and photographs it. Not sure what a picture of a box on a nondescript driveway would prove, but I guess he had to do it.

bloqs 3y ago

They have no reasons other than budget induced apathy. The evidence of a crime is available and their lack of willingness to act is seriously telling

helsinkiandrew 3y ago
> They have no reasons other than budget induced apathy I'm not sure that's the case - the UK police are rigorously judged on the amount of cases they solve. If it was a slam dunk they would have done it.
- oynqr 3y ago
  Is that why they book butter knives as real weapons?
  - helsinkiandrew 3y ago
    A dull blade is more dangerous than a sharp one!
    - porkbeer 3y ago
      Plenty of dull blades around, many of them walking about.

stef25 3y ago

> They can't just walk into people's homes over your word Officer I was kidnapped, taken to this address and violently raped. "Sorry we just walk in to people's homes over your word" ? Half a dozen other scenarios come to mind.

giantg2 3y ago
Sure, there are emergency circumstances exceptions (not the case in this scenario). In general you would need a warrant with probable cause. That probable cause to get the warrant could be your sworn statement. So they can't just walk in over your word. I has to be your word plus either a warrant or exigent circumstance.

Wytwwww 3y ago

> But maybe they have their reasons. Like what reasons? It's somewhat understandable that police might not want to investigate theft of relatively cheap item because they have to prioritize. But a stolen boat? At the very least it warrants some further investigation. Them dismissing it outright just seems bizarre since they do have some evidence they at least should come and talk to the owner.

yardstick 3y ago

> OP at least had a noise which in the states I assume is probable cause or something. Isn’t a signal that is within a few feet of the door you want to enter good enough? It’s more authenticate than some random noise - you know it’s your device and not some random device emitting find my data. Sounds like policing or judicial approach is outdated. If a police officer sees the stolen goods inside via a window, they can enter right? How are RF waves that they can see coming inside the property, and uniquely identify the property, any different?

giantg2 3y ago
It's not a random noise if you can trigger it. Better to have the signal and the controlled noise if possible. You can't see the RF waves in the same way as sight. It is possible that the RF is ducting or has some other propagation phenomenon. And that's assuming you are even able to connect to the device and not just viewing it's location through the network, which could have precise location issues. Two sources are better than one.

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baz00 3y ago

I had a POD, invoice, proof of purchase with serial number on it. Basically evidence. If the police can't take evidence and solve a crime then fuck 'em.

dist-epoch 3y ago
That's not really enough since you could for example have sold the device to him and then call the police.
- baz00 3y ago
  I could have indeed but that would be his risk if he didn't obtain proof of purchase or take an invoice or sales receipt from me. Paperwork exists for a reason.
  - dist-epoch 3y ago
    Right. The point is that it would require a full police investigation, interviews, etc... In my view at fault in these cases is the delivery company, they are in a hurry and don't bother doing a proper job. If they would be forced to eat the cost, this wouldn't happen anymore. Basically they are outsourcing their job to the police force.
    - bomewish 3y ago
      That’s the point of the cops bro.
    - baz00 3y ago
      AFAIK I pay for taxes to get a police force that does this no?

coldtea 3y ago

>What do you expect the police to do in this situation? They can't just walk into people's homes over your word. He had ordered it, so had the order, he had the delivery picture, and so on. And even if people can't just "walk into people's homes over your word" they could still knock on them, question the person, and investigate the theft complaint.

EGreg 3y ago

Sad? Non-violent crime such as parking tickets, littering, playing the music too loud and petty theft should not involve armed officers showing up. This presents needless chances for escalation. The “defund the police” movement was onto something - but it has to be spelled out. - offload many of their jobs to metermaids and other ticket-issuers and keep armed POLICE for things like robberies, no-knock raids, breaking up fights and arresting violent criminals etc. Most civil disputes can be - and are - handled by banks and insurance companies. This includes auto accidents and credit card chargebacks. Not even the justice system (public courts) need to get involved, they handle thousands of cases a day. But don’t let everyone write tickets or it will go too far: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJYaXy5mmA8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJYaXy5mmA8

robertlagrant 3y ago
> The “defund the police” movement was onto something - but it has to be spelled out. - offload many of their jobs to metermaids and other ticket-issuers and keep armed POLICE for things like robberies, no-knock raids, breaking up fights and arresting violent criminals etc. This is hugely different to what I understood from anyone in favour of defunding the police to mean.