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Even with all the hate Apple gets in the tech sphere, they do have a lot of very handy features in their products.

by Maxion 3y ago

simondotau 3y ago
IMHO the volume of hate isn't so much once you calibrate for Apple setting high expectations for its products, and Apple selling these products by the metric crap-ton.
- quitit 3y ago
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- psd1 3y ago
  Thought: hate for a product is at least partially a factor of who buys it - or, more precisely, how often you see dickheads with it. Self-infatuated people are attracted to premium brands, and entitled people and premium brands are both more visible than the converse. Hands up if you've never been cut up in traffic by a BMW? Likewise, when someone cuts in line at a cafe and then sits down with a macbook, it's going to sensitise you to the failings of Apple
  - simondotau 3y ago
    Perhaps next time someone holding an Apple device acts like a dick, maybe also take a look at what brand of shoes they're wearing. It's possible their dickishness is actually a consequence of being a Nike fanboy. It might sensitise you to the failings of Nike. Oh come now, that's ridiculous. Let's be real for a moment. No serious person would ever say that Nike is responsible for the coffee shop etiquette of people who wear their products. It's not the Nike shoes, it's obviously the Apple laptop.
    - psd1 3y ago
      Sure, but I'm not defending cognitive bias, merely describing it.
- fennecfoxy 3y ago
  Well the main thing is them creating stuff like this and intentionally locking others out of it. They're happy to use USB, Wifi, Bluetooth standards to further their business/because money. But they don't go "oh let's create a UWB standard that we can adopt across the industry to help people find lost devices/prevent theft". Like "air tags", gimped when used with Android. "Yeah, well that makes sense it's just good business practice". Yeah good for the business but shit for consumers, we should hold Apple _and_ all other companies to higher standards but humans aren't very good at working in groups of larger than like 5 people apparently.
_v7gu 3y ago
They have leveraged their userbase into an (admittedly very useful) spy network
- brookst 3y ago
  Have you read up on how Find My works? I don’t see how it’s a spy network when only the device owner can see where a device is. Lots of people imagine that every Apple user, or at least Apple themselves, can track devices. But it doesn’t work that way.
  - _v7gu 3y ago
    The implementation seems reasonable, but how are the private keys shared between devices? It should pass through Apple some time since a phone can decrypt a laptop’s location. Or do they use bluetooth whenever near?
    - zie 3y ago
      Generally, they have special computers that basically self-destruct when tampered with, that handle transferring key material. It's in the Apple design docs if you read them. Apple really tries to get this right. Some countries(like China) require the computers to physically live in the country, so there could be special implementation details that alleviate some of those security guarantees, but we don't really know. Of course, if you live in China and rely on any vendor that operates in China to protect you from the Chinese govt, you probably are wrong.
  - rem1313 3y ago
    If Apple can access your account, they can see any device location the same as you. Which means that three letter agencies also have access
    - 93po 3y ago
      This is true of literally everything with a modem in it. Tracking via tower triangulation has been around for 20 years or longer. Also the entirety of your browsing history is tracked and logged by your ISP and also given to three letters agencies. And companies like Google give basically unrestricted access to all your data. Nothing is private anymore.

Even with all the hate Apple gets in the tech sphere, they do have a lot of very handy features in their products.

by Maxion 3y ago

Even with all the hate Apple gets in the tech sphere, they do have a lot of very handy features in their products.

IMHO the volume of hate isn't so much once you calibrate for Apple setting high expectations for its products, and Apple selling these products by the metric crap-ton.

quitit 3y ago
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psd1 3y ago
Thought: hate for a product is at least partially a factor of who buys it - or, more precisely, how often you see dickheads with it. Self-infatuated people are attracted to premium brands, and entitled people and premium brands are both more visible than the converse. Hands up if you've never been cut up in traffic by a BMW? Likewise, when someone cuts in line at a cafe and then sits down with a macbook, it's going to sensitise you to the failings of Apple
- simondotau 3y ago
  Perhaps next time someone holding an Apple device acts like a dick, maybe also take a look at what brand of shoes they're wearing. It's possible their dickishness is actually a consequence of being a Nike fanboy. It might sensitise you to the failings of Nike. Oh come now, that's ridiculous. Let's be real for a moment. No serious person would ever say that Nike is responsible for the coffee shop etiquette of people who wear their products. It's not the Nike shoes, it's obviously the Apple laptop.
  - psd1 3y ago
    Sure, but I'm not defending cognitive bias, merely describing it.
fennecfoxy 3y ago
Well the main thing is them creating stuff like this and intentionally locking others out of it. They're happy to use USB, Wifi, Bluetooth standards to further their business/because money. But they don't go "oh let's create a UWB standard that we can adopt across the industry to help people find lost devices/prevent theft". Like "air tags", gimped when used with Android. "Yeah, well that makes sense it's just good business practice". Yeah good for the business but shit for consumers, we should hold Apple _and_ all other companies to higher standards but humans aren't very good at working in groups of larger than like 5 people apparently.

_v7gu 3y ago

They have leveraged their userbase into an (admittedly very useful) spy network

brookst 3y ago
Have you read up on how Find My works? I don’t see how it’s a spy network when only the device owner can see where a device is. Lots of people imagine that every Apple user, or at least Apple themselves, can track devices. But it doesn’t work that way.
- _v7gu 3y ago
  The implementation seems reasonable, but how are the private keys shared between devices? It should pass through Apple some time since a phone can decrypt a laptop’s location. Or do they use bluetooth whenever near?
  - zie 3y ago
    Generally, they have special computers that basically self-destruct when tampered with, that handle transferring key material. It's in the Apple design docs if you read them. Apple really tries to get this right. Some countries(like China) require the computers to physically live in the country, so there could be special implementation details that alleviate some of those security guarantees, but we don't really know. Of course, if you live in China and rely on any vendor that operates in China to protect you from the Chinese govt, you probably are wrong.
- rem1313 3y ago
  If Apple can access your account, they can see any device location the same as you. Which means that three letter agencies also have access
  - 93po 3y ago
    This is true of literally everything with a modem in it. Tracking via tower triangulation has been around for 20 years or longer. Also the entirety of your browsing history is tracked and logged by your ISP and also given to three letters agencies. And companies like Google give basically unrestricted access to all your data. Nothing is private anymore.