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You don’t need to work from first principles to understand that the most powerful (by far) rocket built would obliterate whatever concrete you use without an ap

You don’t need to work from first principles to understand that the most powerful (by far) rocket built would obliterate whatever concrete you use without an appropriate water deluge system and/or flame trench.

ben_bai 3y ago
And now they have to repair the launchsite, which they already did. And add water deluge, which they already did. The upside was they got lots of data to improve the next rocket, which they already did. It's ready to go again, just waiting for FAA approval.
- rbanffy 3y ago
  > The upside was they got lots of data to improve the next rocket, Or they could have done that the first time with a flame trench and a water deluge system that prevented the energy of the rockets from damaging the rockets dooming the first stage and making concrete rain on the neighboring wildlife reserve. Elon could have verified that hypothesis with a full static fire test AND be able to see the damage to both rockets and pad from an actual launch without destroying a rocket. This is why SpaceX grew from the start with an immune system to prevent Elon from ruining too much stuff.
  - aik 3y ago
    Is your argument that SpaceX has succeeded despite Elon, not in large part due to Elon?
    - rbanffy 3y ago
      He assembled a team and they learned to use him in the roles he fits best - getting attention and investment money. He is not a brilliant aerospace engineer. I believe he’s better observed in Twitter, which is a company that didn’t develop an immune system to deal with him.
    - nemo 3y ago
      SpaceX and Tesla both enjoyed most success despite Musk's continual rank incompetence by isolating him as the figurehead money guy while puffing his ego letting him cosplay a rocket scientist/tech expert for the press. At both companies he's got handlers to limit and manage the damage he causes. At Twitter he had no handlers and his rank incompetence is on full display, as it was in the PayPal days when he was rightly fired for incompetence.
- tigershark 3y ago
  The FAA approval is delayed exactly because of the water deluge system: https://twitter.com/BCCarCounters/status/1717561704689668377 https://twitter.com/BCCarCounters/status/1717561704689668377
rifty 3y ago
https://twitter.com/drphiltill/status/1710096996604723273?s=46&t=9hwTdaEU02qLAmYvXz5eUQ https://twitter.com/drphiltill/status/1710096996604723273?s=... It seems that while the explosion would have been avoided with a deluge or flame trench, it could have also likely just been mitigated with a thicker concrete pad or a vent system.

ben_bai 3y ago

And now they have to repair the launchsite, which they already did. And add water deluge, which they already did. The upside was they got lots of data to improve the next rocket, which they already did. It's ready to go again, just waiting for FAA approval.

rbanffy 3y ago
> The upside was they got lots of data to improve the next rocket, Or they could have done that the first time with a flame trench and a water deluge system that prevented the energy of the rockets from damaging the rockets dooming the first stage and making concrete rain on the neighboring wildlife reserve. Elon could have verified that hypothesis with a full static fire test AND be able to see the damage to both rockets and pad from an actual launch without destroying a rocket. This is why SpaceX grew from the start with an immune system to prevent Elon from ruining too much stuff.
- aik 3y ago
  Is your argument that SpaceX has succeeded despite Elon, not in large part due to Elon?
  - rbanffy 3y ago
    He assembled a team and they learned to use him in the roles he fits best - getting attention and investment money. He is not a brilliant aerospace engineer. I believe he’s better observed in Twitter, which is a company that didn’t develop an immune system to deal with him.
  - nemo 3y ago
    SpaceX and Tesla both enjoyed most success despite Musk's continual rank incompetence by isolating him as the figurehead money guy while puffing his ego letting him cosplay a rocket scientist/tech expert for the press. At both companies he's got handlers to limit and manage the damage he causes. At Twitter he had no handlers and his rank incompetence is on full display, as it was in the PayPal days when he was rightly fired for incompetence.
tigershark 3y ago
The FAA approval is delayed exactly because of the water deluge system: https://twitter.com/BCCarCounters/status/1717561704689668377 https://twitter.com/BCCarCounters/status/1717561704689668377

rifty 3y ago

https://twitter.com/drphiltill/status/1710096996604723273?s=46&t=9hwTdaEU02qLAmYvXz5eUQ https://twitter.com/drphiltill/status/1710096996604723273?s=... It seems that while the explosion would have been avoided with a deluge or flame trench, it could have also likely just been mitigated with a thicker concrete pad or a vent system.