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> And neither GCP nor AWS is getting shut down. Even using the numbers you give, the answer is that the risk of either shutting down is zero for all intents and

> And neither GCP nor AWS is getting shut down. Even using the numbers you give, the answer is that the risk of either shutting down is zero for all intents and purposes. There's no reason to split hairs over which of two infinitesimally unlikely events is more likely. That's what I thought for a long time about google domains. Yet here we are.

thezilch 3y ago
Google Domains made Google the equivalent of $0 and would teach them nothing about operating their core businesses.
- Alupis 3y ago
  And it's not being shut down, it's being sold off. There's quite a difference.
  - zinekeller 3y ago
    Google, and all other domain registrars, are obliged by ICANN to allow domain migrations in case that the original registrar is shutting down. Getting money from Squarespace is just icing on the cake.
    - Alupis 3y ago
      I don't understand your point? Google is selling Domains to Squarespace. Yes, many techies will migrate their domains, but majority of the people on Google Domains probably wont. That's why Squarespace thought it was worth paying anything for, after all. Personally, I'm moving my domains already. But, saying Google Domains was shut down is inaccurate - it was sold, as business units/subsidiaries tend to be...
      - zinekeller 3y ago
        They are forced to sell it by their contracts with ICANN - this is not a decision that they have done voluntarily. If they can legally shut down Domains they would have done it. Sure, in any other contexts, selling Stadia customers to Microsoft or Nvidia (for example) would be a voluntary decision, however they are barred from just shutting down this one. They can even shut down Gmail or YouTube with no legal repercussions (sure their reputation will suffer but legally it's in the clear), but Domains is in a different legal standing.
        Alupis 3y ago
        Present evidence it was forced vs. shut-down or stop spreading a made up rumor.
        ShamelessC 3y ago
        I’m not seeing why you’re being down voted. Indeed, the point being made (that Google would simply aborted all their domains if it weren’t for ICANN) is strange. Of course they’re likely to not outright get rid of them thanks to ICANN. They could have however just given them away rather than selling them off. I feel like there’s some precedent there too? Maybe from Wordpress? In any case, they weren’t forced to sell them. They had other options including _not_ shutting down. But even if they did merely give them to another company or sell them, people would have the chance to move their domain to another provider. Really I just don’t get what point is trying to be made. Google shut down domains in every good faith interpretation of the phrase “shut down”. All the ICANN argument does is try to conflate “shut down” with “going against ICANN rules” but no one was ever suggesting that.
        zinekeller 3y ago
        > In any case, they weren’t forced to sell them. They had other options including _not_ shutting down. Fine, sure, but this is a cop-out. Clearly they really want to clear the thing: if it was to be a GCP-only option with no more consumer-focused Domains, they have temporarily set a transition period with no renewals and new domains and then bow out of consumer space, but even the enterprise version is being shu- sorry, I'll be using Google's term here, deprecated (https://cloud.google.com/domains/docs/deprecations/feature-deprecations https://cloud.google.com/domains/docs/deprecations/feature-d...). The Squarespace buyout is irrelevant here because unlike GCP Domains there are no automation features in the Squarespace's system (and have no plans to implement one), so you are required to migrate to another provider like DNSimple or AWS. This is a clear sign that they really want to dispose of it as soon as feasible. > Really I just don’t get what point is trying to be made. Google shut down domains in every good faith interpretation of the phrase “shut down”. All the ICANN argument does is try to conflate “shut down” with “going against ICANN rules” but no one was ever suggesting that. It's a reasonable assumption when you're talking about their first time in closing down things, but there is a clear trend, even solely in the enterprise space. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38020254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38020254) At this point, it is clear that Google does shut down things when they feel it.
- zinekeller 3y ago
  As pointed out multiple times previously, Amazon and Microsoft provide domain registration services even if it's a solved problem. It's not that Google needs to be the best domain registration platform, but providing a normal domain registration service is miles better than not providing one at all (for example simplified billing and administration for smaller businesses, and automation for bigger ones).
crazygringo 3y ago
Ugh. So it was first reported that Google Domains was being abandoned, but Google Cloud Domains was still just fine. I thought -- exactly, you can count on their paid enterprise cloud services. I looked it up now to reconfirm, and it turns out a few days later it came out that Google Cloud Domains was also being shut down? [1] WTF. OK, well that's idiotic. Maybe I have to take back my parent comment then. That's one of the dumbest corporate own-goals I've ever heard of. That's not something I can even begin to explain or understand at all. [1] https://cloud.google.com/domains/docs/deprecations/feature-deprecations https://cloud.google.com/domains/docs/deprecations/feature-d...
- Alupis 3y ago
  Google Domains is not being shut down - it's being sold to Squarespace. I would assume Cloud Domains either went with that package, or is being removed as part of the deal. Selling to another company != shut down in my book. Although I'm already in the process of moving domains to another registrar...
  - zinekeller 3y ago
    Google, and all other domain registrars, are obliged by ICANN to allow domain migrations in case that the original registrar is shutting down. Getting money from Squarespace is just icing on the cake. You're sounding that this is a decision that Google is doing voluntarily, but it's literally not an option here (for once). Also if they're still keeping the original Google system then it's believable that they are indeed just selling Google Domains, but the fact that all domains must be migrated into Squarespace's system tells a different story.
    - Alupis 3y ago
      What point are you trying to make? Because it has nothing to do with my comment as far as I can tell.
      - zinekeller 3y ago

thezilch 3y ago

Google Domains made Google the equivalent of $0 and would teach them nothing about operating their core businesses.

Alupis 3y ago
And it's not being shut down, it's being sold off. There's quite a difference.
- zinekeller 3y ago
  Google, and all other domain registrars, are obliged by ICANN to allow domain migrations in case that the original registrar is shutting down. Getting money from Squarespace is just icing on the cake.
  - Alupis 3y ago
    I don't understand your point? Google is selling Domains to Squarespace. Yes, many techies will migrate their domains, but majority of the people on Google Domains probably wont. That's why Squarespace thought it was worth paying anything for, after all. Personally, I'm moving my domains already. But, saying Google Domains was shut down is inaccurate - it was sold, as business units/subsidiaries tend to be...
    - zinekeller 3y ago
      They are forced to sell it by their contracts with ICANN - this is not a decision that they have done voluntarily. If they can legally shut down Domains they would have done it. Sure, in any other contexts, selling Stadia customers to Microsoft or Nvidia (for example) would be a voluntary decision, however they are barred from just shutting down this one. They can even shut down Gmail or YouTube with no legal repercussions (sure their reputation will suffer but legally it's in the clear), but Domains is in a different legal standing.
      - Alupis 3y ago
        Present evidence it was forced vs. shut-down or stop spreading a made up rumor.
        ShamelessC 3y ago
        I’m not seeing why you’re being down voted. Indeed, the point being made (that Google would simply aborted all their domains if it weren’t for ICANN) is strange. Of course they’re likely to not outright get rid of them thanks to ICANN. They could have however just given them away rather than selling them off. I feel like there’s some precedent there too? Maybe from Wordpress? In any case, they weren’t forced to sell them. They had other options including _not_ shutting down. But even if they did merely give them to another company or sell them, people would have the chance to move their domain to another provider. Really I just don’t get what point is trying to be made. Google shut down domains in every good faith interpretation of the phrase “shut down”. All the ICANN argument does is try to conflate “shut down” with “going against ICANN rules” but no one was ever suggesting that.
        zinekeller 3y ago
        > In any case, they weren’t forced to sell them. They had other options including _not_ shutting down. Fine, sure, but this is a cop-out. Clearly they really want to clear the thing: if it was to be a GCP-only option with no more consumer-focused Domains, they have temporarily set a transition period with no renewals and new domains and then bow out of consumer space, but even the enterprise version is being shu- sorry, I'll be using Google's term here, deprecated (https://cloud.google.com/domains/docs/deprecations/feature-deprecations https://cloud.google.com/domains/docs/deprecations/feature-d...). The Squarespace buyout is irrelevant here because unlike GCP Domains there are no automation features in the Squarespace's system (and have no plans to implement one), so you are required to migrate to another provider like DNSimple or AWS. This is a clear sign that they really want to dispose of it as soon as feasible. > Really I just don’t get what point is trying to be made. Google shut down domains in every good faith interpretation of the phrase “shut down”. All the ICANN argument does is try to conflate “shut down” with “going against ICANN rules” but no one was ever suggesting that. It's a reasonable assumption when you're talking about their first time in closing down things, but there is a clear trend, even solely in the enterprise space. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38020254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38020254) At this point, it is clear that Google does shut down things when they feel it.
zinekeller 3y ago
As pointed out multiple times previously, Amazon and Microsoft provide domain registration services even if it's a solved problem. It's not that Google needs to be the best domain registration platform, but providing a normal domain registration service is miles better than not providing one at all (for example simplified billing and administration for smaller businesses, and automation for bigger ones).

crazygringo 3y ago

Ugh. So it was first reported that Google Domains was being abandoned, but Google Cloud Domains was still just fine. I thought -- exactly, you can count on their paid enterprise cloud services. I looked it up now to reconfirm, and it turns out a few days later it came out that Google Cloud Domains was also being shut down? [1] WTF. OK, well that's idiotic. Maybe I have to take back my parent comment then. That's one of the dumbest corporate own-goals I've ever heard of. That's not something I can even begin to explain or understand at all. [1] https://cloud.google.com/domains/docs/deprecations/feature-deprecations https://cloud.google.com/domains/docs/deprecations/feature-d...

Alupis 3y ago
Google Domains is not being shut down - it's being sold to Squarespace. I would assume Cloud Domains either went with that package, or is being removed as part of the deal. Selling to another company != shut down in my book. Although I'm already in the process of moving domains to another registrar...
- zinekeller 3y ago
  Google, and all other domain registrars, are obliged by ICANN to allow domain migrations in case that the original registrar is shutting down. Getting money from Squarespace is just icing on the cake. You're sounding that this is a decision that Google is doing voluntarily, but it's literally not an option here (for once). Also if they're still keeping the original Google system then it's believable that they are indeed just selling Google Domains, but the fact that all domains must be migrated into Squarespace's system tells a different story.
  - Alupis 3y ago
    What point are you trying to make? Because it has nothing to do with my comment as far as I can tell.
    - zinekeller 3y ago