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The market doesn't want this though. How many Toyota Yaris's sell per year? What you are describing sounds mostly worse than that. The market says F150 with a

The market doesn't want this though. How many Toyota Yaris's sell per year? What you are describing sounds mostly worse than that. The market says F150 with all kinds of fancy tech is great.

JimBlackwood 3y ago
Not everything is the US, though. In The Netherlands in 2022 the most sold car was the Peugot 208, followed by the Kia Picanto. I’m sure a simplified electric car would do great here.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  The Netherlands is not a huge market for cars though. Everyone cycles there.
olliej 3y ago
Toyota killed off the Yaris and Prius C (I think simultaneously so I assume they shared the chassis or something?).
nisa 3y ago
> The market doesn't want this though. I'm not so sure - I guess at least in Germany most people drive their 10 year old car as far as possible and don't even have the money to buy a new SUV. I'm in my 30ies and most of my friends don't have a car, we drive a 2004 Mazda that we inherited and that is shared with the wider family. A simple, well-designed usable EV for 20k€ or less might be something me and my friends buy. Big SUVs and luxery cars might sell well because most people are just priced out of the market. Used cars have insane prices - same as new after a few years. There is nothing like the Golf II, even a Polo is more expensive then the Golf at the time. I don't get it we have huge weight that requires huge batteries and tons of software and sensors and systems - substract everything that's not mandatory or required for security and optimize for weight and range - I can't imagine it's impossible. Max speed 140km/h would also be more than enough. There must be some tradeoffs without compromising security that get the most out of the idea of an EV. 20 years ago we had the Audi A2 that had a usage of just 3-4L/100km will all the improvement in simulation and material science there must be a way. Now everyone is moving two tons around in these big SUVs...

The market doesn't want this though. How many Toyota Yaris's sell per year? What you are describing sounds mostly worse than that. The market says F150 with all kinds of fancy tech is great.

JimBlackwood 3y ago

Not everything is the US, though. In The Netherlands in 2022 the most sold car was the Peugot 208, followed by the Kia Picanto. I’m sure a simplified electric car would do great here.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
The Netherlands is not a huge market for cars though. Everyone cycles there.

olliej 3y ago

Toyota killed off the Yaris and Prius C (I think simultaneously so I assume they shared the chassis or something?).

nisa 3y ago

> The market doesn't want this though. I'm not so sure - I guess at least in Germany most people drive their 10 year old car as far as possible and don't even have the money to buy a new SUV. I'm in my 30ies and most of my friends don't have a car, we drive a 2004 Mazda that we inherited and that is shared with the wider family. A simple, well-designed usable EV for 20k€ or less might be something me and my friends buy. Big SUVs and luxery cars might sell well because most people are just priced out of the market. Used cars have insane prices - same as new after a few years. There is nothing like the Golf II, even a Polo is more expensive then the Golf at the time. I don't get it we have huge weight that requires huge batteries and tons of software and sensors and systems - substract everything that's not mandatory or required for security and optimize for weight and range - I can't imagine it's impossible. Max speed 140km/h would also be more than enough. There must be some tradeoffs without compromising security that get the most out of the idea of an EV. 20 years ago we had the Audi A2 that had a usage of just 3-4L/100km will all the improvement in simulation and material science there must be a way. Now everyone is moving two tons around in these big SUVs...