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If we only had a government agency that could hold these companies to account for anti-consumer design.

by r00fus 3y ago

rattlesnakedave 3y ago
Perhaps we could form a similar agency that could find and prosecute those stealing the catalytic converters.
- r00fus 3y ago
  Isn't that local law enforcement? Or have they decided that's not their job anymore?
  - olyjohn 3y ago
    They will not respond to car thefts, break-ins, or hit and runs. They will not even respond if you have a GPS tracker, video of the people stealing your car with clear faces, and the coordinates lead to an obvious chop shop in someone's back yard.
olyjohn 3y ago
So what happens if someone figures out a simple way to bypass immobilizers? You can always look back at something and say that it's dumb or that the fix was obvious, but back when those cars were made, they were cheap, and theft wasn't as big of a problem. Did you notice that they weren't getting stolen until the flaw ended up being broadcast all over? Just about every Honda from the 70s through the 2000s can be easily stolen. All you need is a key from any other Honda. I've unlocked my Hondas and my friend's with my other Honda's keys tons of times. We even moved my friend's Nissan pickup across our high school campus with my other friend's Sentra key. Should we go back in time and go after them too? There are tons of easy tricks to steal just about any car, this is just the one that got publicity. I mean, if they should have designed them like this, why did insurance companies choose to insure them in the first place? They are the first people who should be aware of the anti-theft measures in a car, and charge accordingly. Instead, they look back and go "woops, we didn't know this would be a problem, so now we're dropping Kias and Hyundais" It's literally their job to assess risk, and even they didn't think that the missing immobilizer was a problem.

If we only had a government agency that could hold these companies to account for anti-consumer design.

by r00fus 3y ago

If we only had a government agency that could hold these companies to account for anti-consumer design.

rattlesnakedave 3y ago

Perhaps we could form a similar agency that could find and prosecute those stealing the catalytic converters.

r00fus 3y ago
Isn't that local law enforcement? Or have they decided that's not their job anymore?
- olyjohn 3y ago
  They will not respond to car thefts, break-ins, or hit and runs. They will not even respond if you have a GPS tracker, video of the people stealing your car with clear faces, and the coordinates lead to an obvious chop shop in someone's back yard.

olyjohn 3y ago

So what happens if someone figures out a simple way to bypass immobilizers? You can always look back at something and say that it's dumb or that the fix was obvious, but back when those cars were made, they were cheap, and theft wasn't as big of a problem. Did you notice that they weren't getting stolen until the flaw ended up being broadcast all over? Just about every Honda from the 70s through the 2000s can be easily stolen. All you need is a key from any other Honda. I've unlocked my Hondas and my friend's with my other Honda's keys tons of times. We even moved my friend's Nissan pickup across our high school campus with my other friend's Sentra key. Should we go back in time and go after them too? There are tons of easy tricks to steal just about any car, this is just the one that got publicity. I mean, if they should have designed them like this, why did insurance companies choose to insure them in the first place? They are the first people who should be aware of the anti-theft measures in a car, and charge accordingly. Instead, they look back and go "woops, we didn't know this would be a problem, so now we're dropping Kias and Hyundais" It's literally their job to assess risk, and even they didn't think that the missing immobilizer was a problem.