> Imagine if the tables were turned. Developers present in all sales meetings and asking each individual sales person how much they think the call to this clien

> Imagine if the tables were turned. Developers present in all sales meetings and asking each individual sales person how much they think the call to this client is going to take in terms of story points. And how about we also go to HR and start interrogating them how many story points it takes to give somebody their office key? Busywork might be fun, but companies can do with much less, and achieve the same, or more than they do now. I think we should do this! People should be able to explain their processes and where their effort goes with a decent amount of accuracy. > Busywork might be fun, but companies can do with much less, and achieve the same, or more than they do now. A dangerous assumption to apply to all companies. Also the trick is deciding what "much less" looks like. Better hope you pick the right things. I'm not saying it can't be done. It's just hard. And in some cases, you'd rather just be 10% less productive (but still productive) by following a process you hate.