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I always had this idea in my head about feeding AI garbage it cannot regurgitate into anything useful but not a clue on how to create said garbage. Hopefully to

by _chu1 3y ago

I always had this idea in my head about feeding AI garbage it cannot regurgitate into anything useful but not a clue on how to create said garbage. Hopefully tools like this can stop image AI dead in it's tracks.

xyzal 3y ago
Not exactly concerning image AI, but regarding LLMs -- in case your site does not depend on indexing -- you can easily generate boatloads of garbage text via Markov chains and invisible-link them. One cool project for that> https://github.com/jsvine/markovify https://github.com/jsvine/markovify (Personally had the most fun outputs when constructing the corpus from technical articles mixed with esoteric babble) Active defense!
michaelmrose 3y ago
Can you explain why we would want to stop image AI in its tracks? Why do we want to replace taxi drivers and factory workers but not cheap crap commercial artists? Given that real art is both incredibly cheap to produce and incredibly cheap to distribute I should think those who are so inspired will continue to produce works to inspire us. I mean the advent of printers, cheap prints, and stock images didn't destroy art so why should AI?
- _chu1 3y ago
  Artists and photographers were never asked permission of their photos to be used to develop image AI yet they ended up doing so, it was built off theft and will continue to be build off theft by using user data from social media companies.
  - michaelmrose 3y ago
    Why is requiring their permission a good thing to start with?
  - chankstein38 3y ago
    Ah, someone who doesn't understand how this stuff works and is just unnecessarily mad. People posted that stuff on the internet, it's not retaining their property it's learning the nuances of it. So it's effectively me looking through someone's gallery then attempting to create something like their art. No, it doesn't create "perfect recreations" or "perfect stylized things of theirs" because the outputs frequently are only stylistically similar. I'm sure you could get something that looks like one of their original pieces out with some effort prompting and conditioning the output but haven't people been copying artwork for millenia? It's definitely not a new phenomenon and preventing people from using generative art isn't going to stop it. Think Alex Grey vs Cameron Gray. Both amazing artists but looking at Cameron's work he clearly is inspired by Alex. Did he steal that? Does he deserve to be shutdown? Maybe he asked permission but is Alex Grey financially burdened by Cameron's existence? Artists are just mad something can do cool stuff that allows people who haven't spent a decade practicing something to create what their minds imagine.

by _chu1 3y ago

xyzal 3y ago

Not exactly concerning image AI, but regarding LLMs -- in case your site does not depend on indexing -- you can easily generate boatloads of garbage text via Markov chains and invisible-link them. One cool project for that> https://github.com/jsvine/markovify https://github.com/jsvine/markovify (Personally had the most fun outputs when constructing the corpus from technical articles mixed with esoteric babble) Active defense!

michaelmrose 3y ago

Can you explain why we would want to stop image AI in its tracks? Why do we want to replace taxi drivers and factory workers but not cheap crap commercial artists? Given that real art is both incredibly cheap to produce and incredibly cheap to distribute I should think those who are so inspired will continue to produce works to inspire us. I mean the advent of printers, cheap prints, and stock images didn't destroy art so why should AI?

_chu1 3y ago
Artists and photographers were never asked permission of their photos to be used to develop image AI yet they ended up doing so, it was built off theft and will continue to be build off theft by using user data from social media companies.
- michaelmrose 3y ago
  Why is requiring their permission a good thing to start with?
- chankstein38 3y ago
  Ah, someone who doesn't understand how this stuff works and is just unnecessarily mad. People posted that stuff on the internet, it's not retaining their property it's learning the nuances of it. So it's effectively me looking through someone's gallery then attempting to create something like their art. No, it doesn't create "perfect recreations" or "perfect stylized things of theirs" because the outputs frequently are only stylistically similar. I'm sure you could get something that looks like one of their original pieces out with some effort prompting and conditioning the output but haven't people been copying artwork for millenia? It's definitely not a new phenomenon and preventing people from using generative art isn't going to stop it. Think Alex Grey vs Cameron Gray. Both amazing artists but looking at Cameron's work he clearly is inspired by Alex. Did he steal that? Does he deserve to be shutdown? Maybe he asked permission but is Alex Grey financially burdened by Cameron's existence? Artists are just mad something can do cool stuff that allows people who haven't spent a decade practicing something to create what their minds imagine.