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You are probably thinking of this by Chris Lattner: https://forums.swift.org/t/core-team-to-form-language-workgroup/55455/6 https://forums.swift.org/t/core-team

You are probably thinking of this by Chris Lattner: https://forums.swift.org/t/core-team-to-form-language-workgroup/55455/6 https://forums.swift.org/t/core-team-to-form-language-workgr... (on HN here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30416070 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30416070) Swift has always been developed by a team of course, but he was the lead and probably the most public face.

tialaramex 3y ago
Swift is pretty clearly Lattner's baby. It's not usual for language parents to just stick around indefinitely, Bjarne Stroustrup's helicopter parenting of C++ is the exception not the rule. You won't find Kernighan at WG14 meetings, Eich isn't a key member of TC39, Hoare isn't in Rust's core team. van Rossum was BDFL for over 20 years, but did give it up. I am reminded of the Black Mirror episode "Arkangel". Children are their own people, they're meant to go into the world and be themselves. A programming language isn't a person but its destiny is distinct from yours, and it deserves the opportunity to be its own thing and develop without you hovering over it constantly.
- dogleash 3y ago
  Did you just use analogy to childrearing as way to shame creators who bring in collaborators but then don't fuck off fast enough? That's some A-tier manipulation tactics.
  - tialaramex 3y ago
    Mostly I was just snarking at Bjarne. My take is, Bjane wanted 1980s Unix programmers to like his semicolon language because it was kinda-sorta C compatible, but most of them didn't. And so, he's been trying to change their minds for ~40 years. It's not OK to still be here in 2023 trying to make it happen, a lot of them have retired, some of them are dead, it's not going to happen.
    - frou_dh 3y ago
      I seriously doubt he feels a gratification deficit, given how far and wide C++'s use for serious projects has been.
    - suby 3y ago
      This feels like a needlessly hostile take. As someone who uses C++ daily, I am glad Bjarne is still around and contributing to the language.
    - Conscat 3y ago
      He tried leaving many times, and other people convinced him to stay in WG21. Your posts are nonsense and you know nothing of C++ history or semicolons.
      - tialaramex 3y ago
        "But for all that, to my thinking, he would fain have had it" (Casca in Julius Caesar, however the play is in this case describing an event actually mentioned in Plutarch)

tialaramex 3y ago

Swift is pretty clearly Lattner's baby. It's not usual for language parents to just stick around indefinitely, Bjarne Stroustrup's helicopter parenting of C++ is the exception not the rule. You won't find Kernighan at WG14 meetings, Eich isn't a key member of TC39, Hoare isn't in Rust's core team. van Rossum was BDFL for over 20 years, but did give it up. I am reminded of the Black Mirror episode "Arkangel". Children are their own people, they're meant to go into the world and be themselves. A programming language isn't a person but its destiny is distinct from yours, and it deserves the opportunity to be its own thing and develop without you hovering over it constantly.

dogleash 3y ago
Did you just use analogy to childrearing as way to shame creators who bring in collaborators but then don't fuck off fast enough? That's some A-tier manipulation tactics.
- tialaramex 3y ago
  Mostly I was just snarking at Bjarne. My take is, Bjane wanted 1980s Unix programmers to like his semicolon language because it was kinda-sorta C compatible, but most of them didn't. And so, he's been trying to change their minds for ~40 years. It's not OK to still be here in 2023 trying to make it happen, a lot of them have retired, some of them are dead, it's not going to happen.
  - frou_dh 3y ago
    I seriously doubt he feels a gratification deficit, given how far and wide C++'s use for serious projects has been.
  - suby 3y ago
    This feels like a needlessly hostile take. As someone who uses C++ daily, I am glad Bjarne is still around and contributing to the language.
  - Conscat 3y ago
    He tried leaving many times, and other people convinced him to stay in WG21. Your posts are nonsense and you know nothing of C++ history or semicolons.
    - tialaramex 3y ago
      "But for all that, to my thinking, he would fain have had it" (Casca in Julius Caesar, however the play is in this case describing an event actually mentioned in Plutarch)