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No, I'm talking about the still unreleased live-action remake and what their lead actress has said about the movie.

Tao3300 3y ago
Once upon a time, a woman accidentally pricked her finger over some fresh snow. Observing the sight, she thought, "how gruesome! But Snow White seems like a nice name, nevermind this completely irrelevant scene of blood on snow..."
jncfhnb 3y ago
Attacking Greta Gerwigs’ first worked-on film after Barbie for “not doing feminism right” before you have seen it is a hot take!
- busterarm 3y ago
  If you think a two-hour Mattel commercial is where the feminist discourse is right now, then feminism is off in the wilderness. Then again, women are still overwhelmingly the largest consumer spending group and the CEO of Mattel is still a man. Referencing the Barbie movie wrt feminism is about as laughable as the people who think Star Trek is some post-racial utopia -- even though the bad guys are still mostly dark-skinned and virtually every alien race is a monoculture.
  - saagarjha 3y ago
    Did you watch the movie?
    - busterarm 3y ago
      So is everyone who saw the movie supposed to have the same interpretation of it? That sounds vaguely sexist. It's Gerwig who claimed the movie is a feminist film and the critical reactions to the movie with regard to feminism are very mixed.
      - saagarjha 3y ago
        Did you watch the movie?
        busterarm 3y ago
        Yes. Totally not relevant to the discussion.
        saagarjha 3y ago
        It is incredibly relevant, because the specific criticism you had about the conflict of using Barbie as a consumerist symbol for feminism from a company run by men was a central part of the film.
        jncfhnb 3y ago
        It was an awkward and distracting part of the film imo. The messaging there was weird.
        saagarjha 3y ago
        Perhaps, but it seems incredibly relevant to bring up when making that criticism, even if only to talk about it being superficial or half-baked?
        jncfhnb 3y ago
        Well it at least seems ironically short sighted to try and raise it as a gotcha against the movie, I agree.
      - jncfhnb 3y ago
        Everyone who saw it and has basic comprehension abilities can hopefully understand the basic premise which is awkwardly explicitly stated: that bickering around the right and wrong way to do feminism is bullshit, harmful discourse.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > the people who think Star Trek is some post-racial utopia -- even though the bad guys are still mostly dark-skinned That’s... not true of the franchise as a whole, or even any of the individual series. So, this is hardly creating confidence in your reading of the other works under discussion.
    - busterarm 3y ago
      Are you kidding me? Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Jem'Hadar, Ferengi, The Kazon, maybe the Hirogen. All of these _villain races_ (which already is a wow conceptually) are portrayed as being dark-skinned. The list of other prominent villian species is quite small, especially when you have to exclude the Borg, Changelings, Tholians, the Breen. And I'm not making this argument out of nothing. People have been big-upping the show for being racially aware and talking about that context of the show for decades now.
      - jncfhnb 3y ago
        > Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Jem'Hadar, Ferengi, The Kazon, maybe the Hirogen. These all look “dark skinned” to you?
        busterarm 3y ago
        They look fair-skinned to you? (No, only Vulcans and Bajorans got that treatment...)
        jncfhnb 3y ago
        Some of them do. But mostly they look like aliens and any attempt to contextual is it as a race thing is about as poorly warranted as the Heredity link that you were (reasonably) shitting on.
        busterarm 3y ago
        And yet the bias towards an end of the spectrum in skintones for the villains is still overwhelmingly there in the choices made by the costuming and makeup departments.

Once upon a time, a woman accidentally pricked her finger over some fresh snow. Observing the sight, she thought, "how gruesome! But Snow White seems like a nice name, nevermind this completely irrelevant scene of blood on snow..."

jncfhnb 3y ago

Attacking Greta Gerwigs’ first worked-on film after Barbie for “not doing feminism right” before you have seen it is a hot take!

busterarm 3y ago
If you think a two-hour Mattel commercial is where the feminist discourse is right now, then feminism is off in the wilderness. Then again, women are still overwhelmingly the largest consumer spending group and the CEO of Mattel is still a man. Referencing the Barbie movie wrt feminism is about as laughable as the people who think Star Trek is some post-racial utopia -- even though the bad guys are still mostly dark-skinned and virtually every alien race is a monoculture.
- saagarjha 3y ago
  Did you watch the movie?
  - busterarm 3y ago
    So is everyone who saw the movie supposed to have the same interpretation of it? That sounds vaguely sexist. It's Gerwig who claimed the movie is a feminist film and the critical reactions to the movie with regard to feminism are very mixed.
    - saagarjha 3y ago
      Did you watch the movie?
      - busterarm 3y ago
        Yes. Totally not relevant to the discussion.
        saagarjha 3y ago
        It is incredibly relevant, because the specific criticism you had about the conflict of using Barbie as a consumerist symbol for feminism from a company run by men was a central part of the film.
        jncfhnb 3y ago
        It was an awkward and distracting part of the film imo. The messaging there was weird.
        saagarjha 3y ago
        Perhaps, but it seems incredibly relevant to bring up when making that criticism, even if only to talk about it being superficial or half-baked?
        jncfhnb 3y ago
        Well it at least seems ironically short sighted to try and raise it as a gotcha against the movie, I agree.
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      Everyone who saw it and has basic comprehension abilities can hopefully understand the basic premise which is awkwardly explicitly stated: that bickering around the right and wrong way to do feminism is bullshit, harmful discourse.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > the people who think Star Trek is some post-racial utopia -- even though the bad guys are still mostly dark-skinned That’s... not true of the franchise as a whole, or even any of the individual series. So, this is hardly creating confidence in your reading of the other works under discussion.
  - busterarm 3y ago
    Are you kidding me? Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Jem'Hadar, Ferengi, The Kazon, maybe the Hirogen. All of these _villain races_ (which already is a wow conceptually) are portrayed as being dark-skinned. The list of other prominent villian species is quite small, especially when you have to exclude the Borg, Changelings, Tholians, the Breen. And I'm not making this argument out of nothing. People have been big-upping the show for being racially aware and talking about that context of the show for decades now.
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      > Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Jem'Hadar, Ferengi, The Kazon, maybe the Hirogen. These all look “dark skinned” to you?
      - busterarm 3y ago
        They look fair-skinned to you? (No, only Vulcans and Bajorans got that treatment...)
        jncfhnb 3y ago
        Some of them do. But mostly they look like aliens and any attempt to contextual is it as a race thing is about as poorly warranted as the Heredity link that you were (reasonably) shitting on.
        busterarm 3y ago
        And yet the bias towards an end of the spectrum in skintones for the villains is still overwhelmingly there in the choices made by the costuming and makeup departments.