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I don't understand what you're saying here. Why are you upset about creating new tools for current and future humans to be more capable at unleashing their cre

I don't understand what you're saying here. Why are you upset about creating new tools for current and future humans to be more capable at unleashing their creative visions? All progress comes at labor from the past. If you didn't utilize past labor, you would not be talking to us now on the internet. You would be banging rocks against some cave wall instead. If someone is inspired by art and they become an artist creating a similar style, is that stealing from you too? Is using a computer stealing from the engineers that created them? Is sleeping in a house stealing from the architects and builders? If someone speaks do they need to pay royalties to the creators of the English language? This technology is the beginning of creating a real life holodeck. Anything someone imagines they can creatively bring to life. How is it possible there are people greedy and self centered enough to not desire that for the future? It is hard to follow the logic of your stance. I am genuinely curious about your modality of thinking if you would care to elaborate.

terminous 3y ago
This whole "shut up about your intellectual property rights and your ability to make a living being a creator, you greedy self-centered idiot, because your livelihood is getting in the way of my vision of the future" is not convincing to me. Especially when your vision of the future is literally based on science fiction and may never actually come to pass. More likely gen AI will be like every technology, whose inventors and fans promise a post-scarcity world, but in reality it just either makes the rich already richer or swaps out one ruling class for another. We were promised the holodeck and the replicator, and what we got was Amazon drivers having to pee in bottles.
- survirtual 3y ago
  Does someone in a third world country who came up with the exact same idea as you years earlier have "intellectual property rights?" Is that entire conception not just construct of privilege, safeguarding only the well off? Generative AI is already allowing people to unleash their creativity in miraculous ways, thought impossible previously. I feel your argument is unfortunately extremely dated already. I am also not seeing your connection between holodeck and replicators to Amazon drivers peeing in bottles? I wonder what coal miners have to do to make a living? There are all kinds of grotesque jobs and practices, the aim is to eliminate all of them in time with automated labor, and taking all the necessary supportive actions to make that possible / sustainable. Generative AI distributes creative control and power to everyone instead of those with money to afford it.
MisterBastahrd 3y ago
I have a right to the things I create. I have a right to modify them. I have a right to destroy them. You do not. So if you come to steal from me, do not be surprised when I poison the living shit out the well you're attempting to drink from. The greed here is not from the content creators, but from the wannabe AI overlords who believe they have the right to profit off of other people's work without their knowledge or consent. You want data to train your AI? Either create it, buy it elsewhere, or pay me according to MY terms. But you won't get it from me for free and I will purposefully make your life hell if you attempt to do so. I don't give a damn about whatever pie in the sky nonsense you can come up with about technology and advancements. Your desire to get rich in the future is not more important than my need to eat today.
- orbital-decay 3y ago
  >I have a right to the things I create. I have a right to modify them. I have a right to destroy them. This is absolutely correct. However, the tool in question attempts to poison the entire model, including the work you never created.
  - MisterBastahrd 3y ago
    Yes, in the same way that the junkie dies from an OD because he steals random unidentified drugs in search of a fix, only in this case, they never had a right to any of my work. Not my fucking problem.
- survirtual 3y ago
  Unfortunately, the technology is here and your skills are irrelevant. Coupling beautiful creative energy with money and greed was a mistake that you have had many opportunities in life to course correct from. Now you have to adapt. Sorry. Looks like that type of art gets to be a passion project for people again instead of a way to make a living. Creative, passionate people will still create regardless of the machines. The machines will do all the soulless breadwinning artwork. I am and will continue to celebrate this change where raw and pure creative expression is accessible to more people. If you don't want to adapt, I am sure your financial needs will necessitate getting a new skill you can still monetize, hopefully one that doesn't involve flipping burgers because of a hard-nosed stance (nothing wrong with burger flipping, it is just those jobs will be done by robots soon too).

terminous 3y ago

This whole "shut up about your intellectual property rights and your ability to make a living being a creator, you greedy self-centered idiot, because your livelihood is getting in the way of my vision of the future" is not convincing to me. Especially when your vision of the future is literally based on science fiction and may never actually come to pass. More likely gen AI will be like every technology, whose inventors and fans promise a post-scarcity world, but in reality it just either makes the rich already richer or swaps out one ruling class for another. We were promised the holodeck and the replicator, and what we got was Amazon drivers having to pee in bottles.

survirtual 3y ago
Does someone in a third world country who came up with the exact same idea as you years earlier have "intellectual property rights?" Is that entire conception not just construct of privilege, safeguarding only the well off? Generative AI is already allowing people to unleash their creativity in miraculous ways, thought impossible previously. I feel your argument is unfortunately extremely dated already. I am also not seeing your connection between holodeck and replicators to Amazon drivers peeing in bottles? I wonder what coal miners have to do to make a living? There are all kinds of grotesque jobs and practices, the aim is to eliminate all of them in time with automated labor, and taking all the necessary supportive actions to make that possible / sustainable. Generative AI distributes creative control and power to everyone instead of those with money to afford it.

MisterBastahrd 3y ago

I have a right to the things I create. I have a right to modify them. I have a right to destroy them. You do not. So if you come to steal from me, do not be surprised when I poison the living shit out the well you're attempting to drink from. The greed here is not from the content creators, but from the wannabe AI overlords who believe they have the right to profit off of other people's work without their knowledge or consent. You want data to train your AI? Either create it, buy it elsewhere, or pay me according to MY terms. But you won't get it from me for free and I will purposefully make your life hell if you attempt to do so. I don't give a damn about whatever pie in the sky nonsense you can come up with about technology and advancements. Your desire to get rich in the future is not more important than my need to eat today.

orbital-decay 3y ago
>I have a right to the things I create. I have a right to modify them. I have a right to destroy them. This is absolutely correct. However, the tool in question attempts to poison the entire model, including the work you never created.
- MisterBastahrd 3y ago
  Yes, in the same way that the junkie dies from an OD because he steals random unidentified drugs in search of a fix, only in this case, they never had a right to any of my work. Not my fucking problem.
survirtual 3y ago
Unfortunately, the technology is here and your skills are irrelevant. Coupling beautiful creative energy with money and greed was a mistake that you have had many opportunities in life to course correct from. Now you have to adapt. Sorry. Looks like that type of art gets to be a passion project for people again instead of a way to make a living. Creative, passionate people will still create regardless of the machines. The machines will do all the soulless breadwinning artwork. I am and will continue to celebrate this change where raw and pure creative expression is accessible to more people. If you don't want to adapt, I am sure your financial needs will necessitate getting a new skill you can still monetize, hopefully one that doesn't involve flipping burgers because of a hard-nosed stance (nothing wrong with burger flipping, it is just those jobs will be done by robots soon too).