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The employee side of it is to become the "de facto" owner of something important, and making the calculated move to "big salary raise or I'm leaving". Obviously
by hashtag-til 3y ago
The employee side of it is to become the "de facto" owner of something important, and making the calculated move to "big salary raise or I'm leaving". Obviously you need to be backed up with another offer and be prepared to leave.
You can't use that often, but doing it at the right time, it works. Worked for me at least :)
- red-iron-pine 3y agotold a coworker to do the same thing recently, lol. like "bro if you get hit by a car things are gonna get ugly -- so leverage that" we'll see if he will
- xyzelement 3y ago// and making the calculated move to "big salary raise or I'm leaving" Even better is to be in a place that's smart enough to pay people to begin with because it hires the "best" (ie people with options.)
- hashtag-til 3y agoAgree, but over the years - and being in the meetings salary raises are discussed/approved/rejected - I see this pattern that companies only act if they perceive urgency. The quiet person doing an absolutely amazing job is never seen as an urgent case. It is sad and I don't agree with this view at all, but my opinion is not enough to change the system, so I need to live with it.
- xyzelement 3y agoEven in that case, I'd never do the "big raise or I am leaving" move and I wouldn't respect someone who did. If you gotta play that card, I'd do something much softer like "hey, I love working here but it's getting a little hard to keep hanging up on these recruiters offering me 3X.. can we talk?"
- gedy 3y agoWhat's the difference? I've done this, and company didn't take me seriously. So then I did get an offer and said I'm leaving - then they actually did something.
- hashtag-til 3y agoI respect your PoV and I know lots of people who consider “big raise or leave” move unethical. Personally I think it is a negotiation and a financial transaction - I’m trading my time for my salary and I better make the most out of it. At the same time - from a negotiation perspective I find unlikely showing your hand in the way you describe is going to work in your favour. In practice, it also has the potential to backfire and you being branded as “disengaged” and a “flight risk”. PS: please note I’m saying this in good faith, don’t read my comment with a snarky/sarcastic conotation :)
- mvncleaninst 3y agoHell no, I personally would never stay after giving an ultimatum like that. If the backup offer is more, I'd just take it and leave. If it's the same, I'd leave if management is toxic. If it's less, I'd still leave if management is toxic but probably burn a few bridges along the way :)