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Do people who say that sort of thing work for a company that they believe is totally worthless? Work can still be valuable (to one's community even) if someone

Do people who say that sort of thing work for a company that they believe is totally worthless? Work can still be valuable (to one's community even) if someone else is making money from it.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
They specifically mentioned work as meaning-making. And no work provides meaning as raising children or spending time with my elders does, no. Once I've met my obligations to my employer my extra energy goes into my people.
- halfmatthalfcat 3y ago
  I think you took what I was saying as giving exclusive meaning. Work is just a part of life. I'm not seeing anybody making the argument that work is the ultimate meaning of life.
  - ilovetux 3y ago
    You might not be seeing it here in these comments, but there are definitely workplaces where you are scoffed at if make a request like taking the afternoon off to go see your child play soccer. These places thrive on people forgoing any personal life in order to line someone else's pockets.
- lazide 3y ago
  Having been in a situation where helping out with kids caused massive insecurity issues and resulted in major problems, and helping with non-profits resulted in being stalked by some very problematic people? Be careful what you wish for.
everforward 3y ago
> Do people who say that sort if thing work for a company that they believe is totally worthless? Work can still be valuable (to one's community even) if someone else is making money from it. Sure, the value is just distributed the opposite of the way most people would like it to be. The vast majority of the benefits accrue to a practically random individual, some goes to the worker, and a tiny bit trickles to the community. I would wager most people are far more interested in situations where the worker and community benefit greatly, and a tiny bit trickles to whoever owns the business. Besides that, if you wanted to benefit your community there are much better and easier than ways than grinding away at work and being proud of the income tax you pay, I guess?
- thfuran 3y ago
  Yes, I'm sure a community without doctors or nurses or social workers or public defenders would be glad about all that retained value.
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  - chownie 3y ago
    From the guidelines: Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. ---------- The vast majority are not doctors, nurses or public defenders. The vast majority work for private companies whose direct value to the local community is much less obvious, with the exception of paying people who (might?) live close by to the business.
    - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
      please don't do this, it's the lowest form of rebuttal and is itself technically breaking the guidelines.
      - chownie 3y ago
        As far as I can tell there's nothing in the guidelines telling us not to mention them when someone's plainly in violation. Plus I did actually include a refutation, which you've then ignored to make this complaint.
        PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
        What's ironic is that you didn't respond to the strongest version of their argument.
        chownie 3y ago
        The guidelines stipulate answering to the strongest version of their argument, I did that while staying true to real demographics. The guidelines notably do not stipulate I must respond to any argument someone makes by assuming every statement is true. In the spirit of being kind and avoiding snark, that'l be the end of this chain :)
PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
It's not even the company, it's your coworkers and a sense of responsibility towards them. Never at the expense at being abused by the company themselves, but I have to imagine those that don't see the value in being trusted by your coworkers (and trusting them in return) are probably just really crappy coworkers. Shitty companies exist and you must always be prepared to protect yourself against abuse, but it's ridiculous to look down on those who want what they do 8+ hours a day to have value.

Do people who say that sort of thing work for a company that they believe is totally worthless? Work can still be valuable (to one's community even) if someone else is making money from it.

giraffe_lady 3y ago

They specifically mentioned work as meaning-making. And no work provides meaning as raising children or spending time with my elders does, no. Once I've met my obligations to my employer my extra energy goes into my people.

halfmatthalfcat 3y ago
I think you took what I was saying as giving exclusive meaning. Work is just a part of life. I'm not seeing anybody making the argument that work is the ultimate meaning of life.
- ilovetux 3y ago
  You might not be seeing it here in these comments, but there are definitely workplaces where you are scoffed at if make a request like taking the afternoon off to go see your child play soccer. These places thrive on people forgoing any personal life in order to line someone else's pockets.
lazide 3y ago
Having been in a situation where helping out with kids caused massive insecurity issues and resulted in major problems, and helping with non-profits resulted in being stalked by some very problematic people? Be careful what you wish for.

everforward 3y ago

> Do people who say that sort if thing work for a company that they believe is totally worthless? Work can still be valuable (to one's community even) if someone else is making money from it. Sure, the value is just distributed the opposite of the way most people would like it to be. The vast majority of the benefits accrue to a practically random individual, some goes to the worker, and a tiny bit trickles to the community. I would wager most people are far more interested in situations where the worker and community benefit greatly, and a tiny bit trickles to whoever owns the business. Besides that, if you wanted to benefit your community there are much better and easier than ways than grinding away at work and being proud of the income tax you pay, I guess?

thfuran 3y ago
Yes, I'm sure a community without doctors or nurses or social workers or public defenders would be glad about all that retained value.
- deleted 3y ago
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- chownie 3y ago
  From the guidelines: Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. ---------- The vast majority are not doctors, nurses or public defenders. The vast majority work for private companies whose direct value to the local community is much less obvious, with the exception of paying people who (might?) live close by to the business.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    please don't do this, it's the lowest form of rebuttal and is itself technically breaking the guidelines.
    - chownie 3y ago
      As far as I can tell there's nothing in the guidelines telling us not to mention them when someone's plainly in violation. Plus I did actually include a refutation, which you've then ignored to make this complaint.
      - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
        What's ironic is that you didn't respond to the strongest version of their argument.
        chownie 3y ago
        The guidelines stipulate answering to the strongest version of their argument, I did that while staying true to real demographics. The guidelines notably do not stipulate I must respond to any argument someone makes by assuming every statement is true. In the spirit of being kind and avoiding snark, that'l be the end of this chain :)

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago

It's not even the company, it's your coworkers and a sense of responsibility towards them. Never at the expense at being abused by the company themselves, but I have to imagine those that don't see the value in being trusted by your coworkers (and trusting them in return) are probably just really crappy coworkers. Shitty companies exist and you must always be prepared to protect yourself against abuse, but it's ridiculous to look down on those who want what they do 8+ hours a day to have value.