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I've been this person at every job until recently Capitalism doesn't reward virtue

p1esk 3y ago
But you did alright looking at your profile.
__MatrixMan__ 3y ago
Capitalism does not reward virtue. Also, loyalty is not a virtue. Loyalty is for henchmen playing at zero-sum games. The idea that it is a virtue is a psyop by the people out there who would have us as their henchmen. If your work is solving a problem that needs to be solved, you don't need loyalty, you can be on the team you're on because it's the best way to attack that problem. And when the power goes to your leader's head and they try to make you into a henchman, you can go find a different team with which to attack the same problem. Otherwise the problems don't get solved and we all end up working for marketing in some way or another.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  I think you're equating political intrigue with loyalty, whereas for many people it just means relatively selfless identification with the goals of your employer, ie diligence.
  - __MatrixMan__ 3y ago
    Diligence is fine, but only if the goals you are diligently working towards are in bounds for scrutiny. They don't have to be your goals, but if you don't occasionally consider that they might be worth opposing then you're creating a safe space for evil, which is something to be ashamed of even if evil never grows there. We don't need loyalty, we need vigilance.
dwaltrip 3y ago
Exploiting yourself unnecessarily isn’t virtuous. I’ve been there personally. Setting good boundaries and living a balanced life, whatever that means to you, is virtuous.
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  Totally concur and that’s the way to live
Lio 3y ago
True but neither does any other form economic system. In any system those in charge might promise to reward you for being virtuous. Saying and doing are two different things though. I'd take a regulated capitalist economy with a developed social welfare system over most alternatives.

But you did alright looking at your profile.

Capitalism does not reward virtue. Also, loyalty is not a virtue. Loyalty is for henchmen playing at zero-sum games. The idea that it is a virtue is a psyop by the people out there who would have us as their henchmen. If your work is solving a problem that needs to be solved, you don't need loyalty, you can be on the team you're on because it's the best way to attack that problem. And when the power goes to your leader's head and they try to make you into a henchman, you can go find a different team with which to attack the same problem. Otherwise the problems don't get solved and we all end up working for marketing in some way or another.

anigbrowl 3y ago
I think you're equating political intrigue with loyalty, whereas for many people it just means relatively selfless identification with the goals of your employer, ie diligence.
- __MatrixMan__ 3y ago
  Diligence is fine, but only if the goals you are diligently working towards are in bounds for scrutiny. They don't have to be your goals, but if you don't occasionally consider that they might be worth opposing then you're creating a safe space for evil, which is something to be ashamed of even if evil never grows there. We don't need loyalty, we need vigilance.

dwaltrip 3y ago

Exploiting yourself unnecessarily isn’t virtuous. I’ve been there personally. Setting good boundaries and living a balanced life, whatever that means to you, is virtuous.

AndrewKemendo 3y ago
Totally concur and that’s the way to live

Lio 3y ago

True but neither does any other form economic system. In any system those in charge might promise to reward you for being virtuous. Saying and doing are two different things though. I'd take a regulated capitalist economy with a developed social welfare system over most alternatives.