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Tangentially related, apparently Sentry's own post mentioned in the article was removed from HN according this tweet https://x.com/bentlegen/status/171688471739

Tangentially related, apparently Sentry's own post mentioned in the article was removed from HN according this tweet https://x.com/bentlegen/status/1716884717394670015?s=20 https://x.com/bentlegen/status/1716884717394670015?s=20. Does anyone know the circumstances regarding why?

cuu508 3y ago
Maybe they removed a duplicate? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38001924 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38001924
- dtech 3y ago
  They probably mean the post manually removed or pushed down off the front page, not literally removed.
the_mitsuhiko 3y ago
> Does anyone know the circumstances regarding why? As someone working at Sentry my running theory of this is that we're not a YC funded startup and the posts are removed for marketing. Removal in this sense is that the post is still there, but it's pushed down in rankings artificially to be removed from the first two pages. //EDIT: the explanation given last year was that it "wasn't interesting": https://twitter.com/chadwhitacre_/status/1716947994338021885 https://twitter.com/chadwhitacre_/status/1716947994338021885
- radicalbyte 3y ago
  It's well known that to get to the front page you have to submit then get two dozen friends (with good rep) to upvote you within a short period of time.
  - the_mitsuhiko 3y ago
    The post was on the front page for a while before it was removed.
    - yorwba 3y ago
      https://hnrankings.info/38001924/ https://hnrankings.info/38001924/ has it on the front page only for one sample and it dropped off to rank 36 five minutes later.
      - xeromal 3y ago
        Anecdata but I saw it on the front page for a while. I thought this post was just following in that one's footsteps.
      - the_mitsuhiko 3y ago
        Since the moderation log is hidden I can only guess what happened. But last year we got the confirmation of the removal via email and the explanation was that the post wasn't "that interesting". https://twitter.com/chadwhitacre_/status/1716947994338021885 https://twitter.com/chadwhitacre_/status/1716947994338021885 I expected this again and thus kept monitoring the index page actively. The post stayed on there for quite a while and suddenly dropped off to the second page and then a while later completely.
    - radicalbyte 3y ago
      Crazy I missed that. That certainly damages the trust I have in this site - it already benefits YC to have this community, they don't need to play favorites. It feels like we're being treated as a sales funnel when they pull tricks like that.
  - apitman 3y ago
    You can get on the front page with far less than a couple dozen upvotes
- gurchik 3y ago
  > The guidelines define “interesting” as “anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.” Surely a real contribution to the OSS sustainability crisis counts? Arguing about whether the submission meets the guidelines is pointless when it ignores that users downvote what isn't interesting in their own opinion. The moderators are never going to artificially keep a submission active after users have downvoted it just because it meets a definition in the guidelines.
  - thinkmassive 3y ago
    Is it possible to downvote a submission? Do you mean flagging? That doesn’t seem appropriate for something that’s simply uninteresting, based on the site guidelines: > If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      Uninteresting is off-topic, per the guidelines. “On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.” (emphasis added)
    - yayitswei 3y ago
      When you have 500 points you gain the ability to downvote.
      - corobo 3y ago
        That's only for comments, as far as I can see you can't downvote a submission
  - whit537 3y ago
    It is curious that users would downvote/flag our post yesterday but not Colin's post today, which begins, "Yesterday I read a great article from Sentry". I agree it's kinda shouting into the wind to complain. Oh well. :)
- bachmeier 3y ago
  Just add "in Rust" randomly to any part of the title and you're good to go.
meiraleal 3y ago
[flagged]
- dijit 3y ago
  > a spam-based company like Sentry Sorry, I think you might have them confused with another company, perhaps something that is related to email marketing? Sentry is a crash reporting system, and their open source self-hosted version is both free and 100% compatible with their hosted/paid version. They (so far) have been good stewards of open source and they deserve to be marketed a bit better than others in the space. FD: happy sentry hosted user here.
  - meiraleal 3y ago
    Yes my bad, I confused them with LogRocket.
  - armini 3y ago
    We loved working with Sentry & they have been huge champions of thanks.dev & the OS community.
gurchik 3y ago
Where is the evidence it was removed by a moderator? I know that's the first thought, but HN doesn't have many moderators, and usually the moderators leave a comment on a submission after taking a moderator action. I regularly come across a submission on the front page that looks interesting, read the article, then come back and notice it's been pushed to the 2nd or 3rd page. My assumption is that it was downvoted by a bunch of people, but it's still annoying. I wonder if there are any sites that track these movements?
- whit537 3y ago
  They definitely modded us last year (I emailed) and the hnrankings chart shows two definite drops this year. :shrug:
ak217 3y ago
Speaking of Sentry's program... I recently received a notification that as an open source developer, I am eligible for a payout from this program. Excited, I logged in to eventually find out that the payout amounted to... $15. Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the thought and effort that went into this, and I really hope more companies that use open source software follow suit, but I wish they would adjust their formula to not bother with the payout if it's less than a certain amount. It's just more hassle than it's worth, and the nice gesture can easily be mistaken for something else when it gets that low.
- schmidp 3y ago
  They talk about their reasoning and this specific issue in the announcement.
- whit537 3y ago
  Sorry ak217. :( It's $15 per month so $180 allocated overall. Would it be more worth it for you if it were paid out in one lump sum for the year vs. doled out monthly?
  - ghsgvxd 3y ago
    On the other hand $15 is a lot of money to some people.
  - ak217 3y ago
    Thanks for clarifying. I missed the part about this being a recurring monthly payout - $180 does clear the threshold of what I'd consider a significant donation, so I appreciate that. I don't mind it being spread out monthly. I think it would help if the process made it a bit more clear what to expect (in terms of the total payout and timeline) in the initial message and/or the UI. Again, I really appreciate the thought and work that goes not only into this program but also into getting other companies on board.
    - whit537 3y ago
      Good feedback, thanks, I'll share with the Thanks.dev crew.

cuu508 3y ago

Maybe they removed a duplicate? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38001924 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38001924

dtech 3y ago
They probably mean the post manually removed or pushed down off the front page, not literally removed.

the_mitsuhiko 3y ago

> Does anyone know the circumstances regarding why? As someone working at Sentry my running theory of this is that we're not a YC funded startup and the posts are removed for marketing. Removal in this sense is that the post is still there, but it's pushed down in rankings artificially to be removed from the first two pages. //EDIT: the explanation given last year was that it "wasn't interesting": https://twitter.com/chadwhitacre_/status/1716947994338021885 https://twitter.com/chadwhitacre_/status/1716947994338021885

radicalbyte 3y ago
It's well known that to get to the front page you have to submit then get two dozen friends (with good rep) to upvote you within a short period of time.
- the_mitsuhiko 3y ago
  The post was on the front page for a while before it was removed.
  - yorwba 3y ago
    https://hnrankings.info/38001924/ https://hnrankings.info/38001924/ has it on the front page only for one sample and it dropped off to rank 36 five minutes later.
    - xeromal 3y ago
      Anecdata but I saw it on the front page for a while. I thought this post was just following in that one's footsteps.
    - the_mitsuhiko 3y ago
      Since the moderation log is hidden I can only guess what happened. But last year we got the confirmation of the removal via email and the explanation was that the post wasn't "that interesting". https://twitter.com/chadwhitacre_/status/1716947994338021885 https://twitter.com/chadwhitacre_/status/1716947994338021885 I expected this again and thus kept monitoring the index page actively. The post stayed on there for quite a while and suddenly dropped off to the second page and then a while later completely.
  - radicalbyte 3y ago
    Crazy I missed that. That certainly damages the trust I have in this site - it already benefits YC to have this community, they don't need to play favorites. It feels like we're being treated as a sales funnel when they pull tricks like that.
- apitman 3y ago
  You can get on the front page with far less than a couple dozen upvotes
gurchik 3y ago
> The guidelines define “interesting” as “anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.” Surely a real contribution to the OSS sustainability crisis counts? Arguing about whether the submission meets the guidelines is pointless when it ignores that users downvote what isn't interesting in their own opinion. The moderators are never going to artificially keep a submission active after users have downvoted it just because it meets a definition in the guidelines.
- thinkmassive 3y ago
  Is it possible to downvote a submission? Do you mean flagging? That doesn’t seem appropriate for something that’s simply uninteresting, based on the site guidelines: > If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    Uninteresting is off-topic, per the guidelines. “On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.” (emphasis added)
  - yayitswei 3y ago
    When you have 500 points you gain the ability to downvote.
    - corobo 3y ago
      That's only for comments, as far as I can see you can't downvote a submission
- whit537 3y ago
  It is curious that users would downvote/flag our post yesterday but not Colin's post today, which begins, "Yesterday I read a great article from Sentry". I agree it's kinda shouting into the wind to complain. Oh well. :)
bachmeier 3y ago
Just add "in Rust" randomly to any part of the title and you're good to go.

meiraleal 3y ago

[flagged]

dijit 3y ago
> a spam-based company like Sentry Sorry, I think you might have them confused with another company, perhaps something that is related to email marketing? Sentry is a crash reporting system, and their open source self-hosted version is both free and 100% compatible with their hosted/paid version. They (so far) have been good stewards of open source and they deserve to be marketed a bit better than others in the space. FD: happy sentry hosted user here.
- meiraleal 3y ago
  Yes my bad, I confused them with LogRocket.
- armini 3y ago
  We loved working with Sentry & they have been huge champions of thanks.dev & the OS community.

gurchik 3y ago

Where is the evidence it was removed by a moderator? I know that's the first thought, but HN doesn't have many moderators, and usually the moderators leave a comment on a submission after taking a moderator action. I regularly come across a submission on the front page that looks interesting, read the article, then come back and notice it's been pushed to the 2nd or 3rd page. My assumption is that it was downvoted by a bunch of people, but it's still annoying. I wonder if there are any sites that track these movements?

whit537 3y ago
They definitely modded us last year (I emailed) and the hnrankings chart shows two definite drops this year. :shrug:

ak217 3y ago

Speaking of Sentry's program... I recently received a notification that as an open source developer, I am eligible for a payout from this program. Excited, I logged in to eventually find out that the payout amounted to... $15. Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate the thought and effort that went into this, and I really hope more companies that use open source software follow suit, but I wish they would adjust their formula to not bother with the payout if it's less than a certain amount. It's just more hassle than it's worth, and the nice gesture can easily be mistaken for something else when it gets that low.

schmidp 3y ago
They talk about their reasoning and this specific issue in the announcement.
whit537 3y ago
Sorry ak217. :( It's $15 per month so $180 allocated overall. Would it be more worth it for you if it were paid out in one lump sum for the year vs. doled out monthly?
- ghsgvxd 3y ago
  On the other hand $15 is a lot of money to some people.
- ak217 3y ago
  Thanks for clarifying. I missed the part about this being a recurring monthly payout - $180 does clear the threshold of what I'd consider a significant donation, so I appreciate that. I don't mind it being spread out monthly. I think it would help if the process made it a bit more clear what to expect (in terms of the total payout and timeline) in the initial message and/or the UI. Again, I really appreciate the thought and work that goes not only into this program but also into getting other companies on board.
  - whit537 3y ago
    Good feedback, thanks, I'll share with the Thanks.dev crew.