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The OP seems to have a real chip on his shoulder about drinking. About half of what the OP said was him putting words in people's mouths (see: "Y U NO DRINK" fo
by pbiggar 15y ago
The OP seems to have a real chip on his shoulder about drinking. About half of what the OP said was him putting words in people's mouths (see: "Y U NO DRINK" for an example). This is coming from someone who is also a non-drinker, and who is from a culture in which drinking is almost the only social activity (I'm from Ireland).
That actually puts him in the same company as the brogrammers, who think that drinking is somehow makes their group special. The OP looks at drunken antics and thinks "those idiots" (emphasis on "those"), while they think "we're so cool" (emphasis on "we").
Compare to how I perceive most drinkers: people who want to have a conversation, and use alcohol to provide both the venue and a small social lubricant. Having been to a few github meetups in SF, they're largely sober affairs - I haven't observed much alcoholism or drunkenness. Conferences are a bit worse, but that's because people start drinking earlier.
It's not hard to enjoy these conferences, even as a non-drinker. Geeks chatting to geeks about geekery. Yes it happens in the pub; yes most people are drinking; yes some people have an unhealthy attitude to drinking - but that's life. I would suggest the OP tries again: roll your eyes at those bragging about drinking, ignore the guys slurring their words, and have good geeky conversation with the other 90% (a number which obviously diminishes the longer the event goes on).
- mwm 15y agoWhen I go to tech meetups in Dublin, the chatting bit tends to happen in a pub afterwards. Just curious, as a non-drinker do you enjoy attending events like PubStandards? I generally can't maintain a good geeky conversation in those environments from the noise, and leave with a sore throat from raising my voice.
- pbiggar 15y agoYeah, I do. I've been to PubStandards a few times, and went to FunConf, which was basically drinking on a bus to Kilkenny, lunch, then drinking on the way back. The sore throat is annoying, but its the same as going to any party, club, or loud pub.
- nupark2 15y agoI don't know about the OP, but I have a chip on my shoulder about professionalism in the industry, of which the alcohol and brogrammer culture is just a part. We're on a long, slow slide away from CS and towards hacking out yet-another poorly designed programming language/web framework/whatever, patting ourselves on the back for re-inventing the wheel, and then grabbing some beers. I'm studiously unimpressed with the quality of candidates, technology, and culture that I've been seeing in recent years.