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> maybe you can’t do it at home but people with the correct instruments can do pretty much anyrhing. Of course, the argument for right-to-repair has never been

> maybe you can’t do it at home but people with the correct instruments can do pretty much anyrhing. Of course, the argument for right-to-repair has never been "it's impossible to repair X". It's always been "it's economically infeasie to repair X". > Replacing a broken component with a new one is not repairing. Fixing the broken component is repairing. Are people actually gatekeeping repair right now? Seriously? > One reason would be to prevent theft. Sure, that works for when you swap a part from one device to another. But what about swapping in brand new parts? What about swapping in counterfeit parts (you could argue about this too, but you can also just add a warning if a counterfeit part is installed)? I kinda understand pairing the part to the device, but not pairing the device to the part.

mrtksn 3y ago
It is economically feasible to repair, that’s why there are many repair shops. Check out the video I posted about the machine for repairing screens, they even talk about the economics of it. > Are people actually gatekeeping repair right now? Seriously? Nope, it’s just not repairing. Call it right to swap modules at home and you will have correctly named movement.
- culopatin 3y ago
  It’s economically feasible in countries where labor is almost free. Regardless, at some point you have to replace a part. If your screen is completely shattered you won’t be gluing back together the glass pieces and recreating the LCD. We got your point, some people have more specialized machines, some people’s time is worth almost nothing, ok cool. Why does it bother you if people demand that companies don’t intentionally make it more difficult for the average person to do a repair?
  - mrtksn 3y ago
    >Why does it bother you if people demand that companies don’t intentionally make it more difficult for the average person to do a repair? That doesn’t bother me, I just find it annoying when you want modularity but claim you want repairability. It usually comes attached with conspiracy theories and long rant. Feels watching a fake movement. Why can’t you accept that the companies don’t necessarily spend resources to make something non-modular? Why just don’t you demand consideration for ease of repair or modularity? Why you have to claim that iPhone’s are hard or impossible to repair when people get repairs all the time? I guess I don’t like the spirit of the movement.
    - seec 3y ago
      The question I have is why you are arguing in such bad faith. You argument can be resumed to: if you know how to build electronics, have access to the extremely expensive machine needed and have the skill/knowledge to do it; it is easy. Then you go on conspiracy theories rant (WTF ?). I don't know what your motivations are, but you are so dishonest it is troubling. Nobody is arguing for companies to make special investment in repairs or whatever. What is asked is simply access to parts they ALLREADY MAKE to build their stuff. So that people can avoid wasting time reinventing the wheel every time they need to fix a small part. It is not complicated nor a big demand. Companies making devices should have an obligation to put their parts used for building the devices in the open market. There also should be allowed competition on the supply of compatible parts depending on what are the user's priorities. This is something we already do for cars. But Im sure you rethread your tire by hand (equivalent to the battery), and you glue black together by hand all the broken rear-view mirrors. This is nonsense, it is unbelievable how terrible your take actually is.
      - bimguy 3y ago
        There's no reason to get so one sided about this subject and no reason to attack each other over it. Some people are going to accept modular replacement parts and others will advocate for repairing the part. Apple's approach and the approach of Louis Rossman are completely different and both have their own merits. Like I mentioned in another comment this Right to Repair article is marketing from Apple and doesn't warrant any name calling and disapproving language being thrown back and forth.
- nulld3v 3y ago
  In fact I watched that video 3 months ago when it first came out because I follow the movement quite closely. The machine creator claims that "it is economically superior to just replacing the display" but those are just random claims anyone can make. Especially when only a couple copies of that machine actually exist right now. > Nope, it’s just not repairing. Call it right to swap modules at home and you will have correctly named movement. Look, your argument about repair being economically infeasible has at least some level of merit. But your argument about "replacing a part is not actually repair" shows a complete misunderstanding of English. Just look at any dictionary: - Merriam-Webster: "to restore by replacing a part or putting together what is torn or broken" - WordsAPI: "the act of putting something in working order again" - Google: "the action of fixing or mending something" (fix is defined as "a measure taken to resolve a problem or correct a mistake") - Cambridge Dictionary: "to put something that is damaged, broken, or not working correctly, back into good condition or make it work again" - Dictionary.com: "to restore to a good or sound condition after decay or damage" Part replacement IS repair in ALL of these definitions because part replacement "restores the machine to working condition".

mrtksn 3y ago

It is economically feasible to repair, that’s why there are many repair shops. Check out the video I posted about the machine for repairing screens, they even talk about the economics of it. > Are people actually gatekeeping repair right now? Seriously? Nope, it’s just not repairing. Call it right to swap modules at home and you will have correctly named movement.

culopatin 3y ago
It’s economically feasible in countries where labor is almost free. Regardless, at some point you have to replace a part. If your screen is completely shattered you won’t be gluing back together the glass pieces and recreating the LCD. We got your point, some people have more specialized machines, some people’s time is worth almost nothing, ok cool. Why does it bother you if people demand that companies don’t intentionally make it more difficult for the average person to do a repair?
- mrtksn 3y ago
  >Why does it bother you if people demand that companies don’t intentionally make it more difficult for the average person to do a repair? That doesn’t bother me, I just find it annoying when you want modularity but claim you want repairability. It usually comes attached with conspiracy theories and long rant. Feels watching a fake movement. Why can’t you accept that the companies don’t necessarily spend resources to make something non-modular? Why just don’t you demand consideration for ease of repair or modularity? Why you have to claim that iPhone’s are hard or impossible to repair when people get repairs all the time? I guess I don’t like the spirit of the movement.
  - seec 3y ago
    The question I have is why you are arguing in such bad faith. You argument can be resumed to: if you know how to build electronics, have access to the extremely expensive machine needed and have the skill/knowledge to do it; it is easy. Then you go on conspiracy theories rant (WTF ?). I don't know what your motivations are, but you are so dishonest it is troubling. Nobody is arguing for companies to make special investment in repairs or whatever. What is asked is simply access to parts they ALLREADY MAKE to build their stuff. So that people can avoid wasting time reinventing the wheel every time they need to fix a small part. It is not complicated nor a big demand. Companies making devices should have an obligation to put their parts used for building the devices in the open market. There also should be allowed competition on the supply of compatible parts depending on what are the user's priorities. This is something we already do for cars. But Im sure you rethread your tire by hand (equivalent to the battery), and you glue black together by hand all the broken rear-view mirrors. This is nonsense, it is unbelievable how terrible your take actually is.
    - bimguy 3y ago
      There's no reason to get so one sided about this subject and no reason to attack each other over it. Some people are going to accept modular replacement parts and others will advocate for repairing the part. Apple's approach and the approach of Louis Rossman are completely different and both have their own merits. Like I mentioned in another comment this Right to Repair article is marketing from Apple and doesn't warrant any name calling and disapproving language being thrown back and forth.
nulld3v 3y ago
In fact I watched that video 3 months ago when it first came out because I follow the movement quite closely. The machine creator claims that "it is economically superior to just replacing the display" but those are just random claims anyone can make. Especially when only a couple copies of that machine actually exist right now. > Nope, it’s just not repairing. Call it right to swap modules at home and you will have correctly named movement. Look, your argument about repair being economically infeasible has at least some level of merit. But your argument about "replacing a part is not actually repair" shows a complete misunderstanding of English. Just look at any dictionary: - Merriam-Webster: "to restore by replacing a part or putting together what is torn or broken" - WordsAPI: "the act of putting something in working order again" - Google: "the action of fixing or mending something" (fix is defined as "a measure taken to resolve a problem or correct a mistake") - Cambridge Dictionary: "to put something that is damaged, broken, or not working correctly, back into good condition or make it work again" - Dictionary.com: "to restore to a good or sound condition after decay or damage" Part replacement IS repair in ALL of these definitions because part replacement "restores the machine to working condition".