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Ubiquity isn't a necessarily good thing. It depends on the type of person you are for this analogy to work but... Religion is ubiquitous and it is largely jus

Ubiquity isn't a necessarily good thing. It depends on the type of person you are for this analogy to work but... Religion is ubiquitous and it is largely just inaccurate made up fantasy stories posing as truth. It's generally not good from this perspective. OSI is religion. And like religion, it is ubiquitous. Is that a good thing? I'm not sure.

kiitos 3y ago
OSI is just a model. Like all models, it's wrong. But its ubiquity, and the fact that it's survived the test of time, clearly signal that it is a useful model. And that's as good as models get.
- Joker_vD 3y ago
  And this specific model is very wrong. It is not useful; it survived mostly because it's useless: slapping an "OSI level X" label on something affects pretty much nothing so sure, you can keep doing that and keep teaching it to people.
- corethree 3y ago
  Not all models are truly wrong. But I get your point. I think though the author isn't just arguing that the OSI is like your typical "wrong" model. I think he's saying it's a shitty model. It's crap. It's like using Hippocrates four humors to model human health. Yeah that model is wrong just like every model. But unlike every model it's a garbage model. Religion has ALSO survived the test of time, but Jesus Christ coming back from the dead and walking on water is still utter bullshit. Not to get into a religious argument here, but if you're Christian let me know and I'll have to look harder for another analogy. Anyway my point is: Surviving the test of time, Does not mean shit.
  - kiitos 3y ago
    Look, just tautologically, if it was so shitty, we wouldn't be talking about it, because nobody would be using it. You're free to use a definition of "shitty" that doesn't take into account usage or longevity, but that definition is not really relevant except at the theory level.
    - corethree 3y ago
      So why are we talking about moses putting 2 of every animal on the face of the earth on an ark? Why is it being taught to tons of good Christians all over the world? Let's face it. The story of moses, in terms of the actuality of what happened? Utter bullshit. Just because everyone teaches it and talks about it, doesn't make it not bullshit. You know what I mean by shitty or bullshit. You just disagree. You're just saying, in your opinion, it's not bullshit, but you absolutely know what I mean here. Your opinion is valid. I'm just saying that ubiquity does not prevent something from being bullshit. Something that is being talked about everywhere and all the time does not prevent that something from being bullshit. So you may believe that OSI is NOT bullshit. But your reasoning would be invalid if the two above points are the starting axioms of your logic.

kiitos 3y ago

OSI is just a model. Like all models, it's wrong. But its ubiquity, and the fact that it's survived the test of time, clearly signal that it is a useful model. And that's as good as models get.

Joker_vD 3y ago
And this specific model is very wrong. It is not useful; it survived mostly because it's useless: slapping an "OSI level X" label on something affects pretty much nothing so sure, you can keep doing that and keep teaching it to people.
corethree 3y ago
Not all models are truly wrong. But I get your point. I think though the author isn't just arguing that the OSI is like your typical "wrong" model. I think he's saying it's a shitty model. It's crap. It's like using Hippocrates four humors to model human health. Yeah that model is wrong just like every model. But unlike every model it's a garbage model. Religion has ALSO survived the test of time, but Jesus Christ coming back from the dead and walking on water is still utter bullshit. Not to get into a religious argument here, but if you're Christian let me know and I'll have to look harder for another analogy. Anyway my point is: Surviving the test of time, Does not mean shit.
- kiitos 3y ago
  Look, just tautologically, if it was so shitty, we wouldn't be talking about it, because nobody would be using it. You're free to use a definition of "shitty" that doesn't take into account usage or longevity, but that definition is not really relevant except at the theory level.
  - corethree 3y ago
    So why are we talking about moses putting 2 of every animal on the face of the earth on an ark? Why is it being taught to tons of good Christians all over the world? Let's face it. The story of moses, in terms of the actuality of what happened? Utter bullshit. Just because everyone teaches it and talks about it, doesn't make it not bullshit. You know what I mean by shitty or bullshit. You just disagree. You're just saying, in your opinion, it's not bullshit, but you absolutely know what I mean here. Your opinion is valid. I'm just saying that ubiquity does not prevent something from being bullshit. Something that is being talked about everywhere and all the time does not prevent that something from being bullshit. So you may believe that OSI is NOT bullshit. But your reasoning would be invalid if the two above points are the starting axioms of your logic.