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> “A lot of the outcry from indie devs was kind of misplaced really. None of them are going to get anywhere near the $1m anyway.” They still don’t get it. It w

> “A lot of the outcry from indie devs was kind of misplaced really. None of them are going to get anywhere near the $1m anyway.” They still don’t get it. It was never about the terms of the new deal. It was about them changing the deal.

Terr_ 3y ago
"These complaints are foolish and stupid, we only tried robbing their neighbors houses, we didn't even look at theirs. Yet." /s
mort96 3y ago
The initial outrage was because people were genuinely scared they would have to start paying a ton of money to Unity. Because that's what Unity initially proposed. $200,000 (the original threshold) really isn't that unrealistic for serious indie developers, and any installation, including reinstallation, and including every load of a website with the web player embedded, would come at a cost. (The web player was explicitly mentioned!) Unity then published various "clarifications" (read: further alterations of the deal) which made the change less absolutely horrifying, reinstallations wouldn't be counted, the web player wouldn't be counted. The sheer audacity of describing those monumental changes as "clarifications" is grounds for outrage in itself. "Apologizing" for "confusion" instead of admitting fault is extremely disrespectful. And then we reach the current day, where the change has been watered down to something that's really a lot more acceptable, but the willingness of Unity to just suddenly retroactively invent new taxes for Unity users to pay should be enough to frighten indie developers and established game studios alike. (What I'm trying to say is, I agree.)
lithos 3y ago
Most game programmers are quite young, or at least the ones on Unity making their own indy game (or the loudest ones online). Essentially I reckon most of them still had that proselytizing mindset that newbie programmers get for their first tool (religious obnoxious-ness). And Unity just pulled a "preacher sleeping with your mom" moment on that community.

Terr_ 3y ago

"These complaints are foolish and stupid, we only tried robbing their neighbors houses, we didn't even look at theirs. Yet." /s

mort96 3y ago

The initial outrage was because people were genuinely scared they would have to start paying a ton of money to Unity. Because that's what Unity initially proposed. $200,000 (the original threshold) really isn't that unrealistic for serious indie developers, and any installation, including reinstallation, and including every load of a website with the web player embedded, would come at a cost. (The web player was explicitly mentioned!) Unity then published various "clarifications" (read: further alterations of the deal) which made the change less absolutely horrifying, reinstallations wouldn't be counted, the web player wouldn't be counted. The sheer audacity of describing those monumental changes as "clarifications" is grounds for outrage in itself. "Apologizing" for "confusion" instead of admitting fault is extremely disrespectful. And then we reach the current day, where the change has been watered down to something that's really a lot more acceptable, but the willingness of Unity to just suddenly retroactively invent new taxes for Unity users to pay should be enough to frighten indie developers and established game studios alike. (What I'm trying to say is, I agree.)

lithos 3y ago

Most game programmers are quite young, or at least the ones on Unity making their own indy game (or the loudest ones online). Essentially I reckon most of them still had that proselytizing mindset that newbie programmers get for their first tool (religious obnoxious-ness). And Unity just pulled a "preacher sleeping with your mom" moment on that community.