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Fair enough. Maybe not “all of it”, but most of it is covered. Waymo has always operated 24/7 since the beginning and had 99.4% fleet uptime [1] during the pas

by ra7 3y ago

Fair enough. Maybe not “all of it”, but most of it is covered. Waymo has always operated 24/7 since the beginning and had 99.4% fleet uptime [1] during the past winter season (SF had record rains). They used to shut down during inclement weather in Phoenix years ago, but their SF rain operations have scaled up with the mileage. Waymo vehicles use its own set of sensors and don’t rely on the vehicle’s safety features, so I’m not sure how types of vehicles is relevant for the comparison. This is pretty good as far as “apples-to-apples” comparisons go. [1] https://waymo.com/blog/2023/08/the-waymo-drivers-rapid-learning-curve.html https://waymo.com/blog/2023/08/the-waymo-drivers-rapid-learn...

lolinder 3y ago
I don't live in SF, but I was under the impression that Waymo's 24/7 operation is a relatively new thing [0]. EDIT: On further research, it looks like for Waymo this change only applied to when they could charge fares, so OP is correct that they were authorized to operate 24/7 [1]. [0] Article from August 10 of this year: https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/10/23827790/waymo-cruise-cpuc-vote-robotaxi-san-francisco https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/10/23827790/waymo-cruise-cpu... [1] https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/news-and-updates/all-news/cpuc-approves-permits-for-cruise-and-waymo-to-charge-fares-for-passenger-service-in-sf-2023 https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/news-and-updates/all-news/cpuc-appro...
- ra7 3y ago
  Nope. It was Cruise who gave rides only at night. Waymo has operated 24/7 since day 1. The only restriction has been who is approved to ride (they have a long waitlist).
thfuran 3y ago
>so I’m not sure how types of vehicles is relevant for the comparison. Surely "car with ABS and good tires" vs "car without ABS and with bald tires" makes a difference. And presumably waymo operates exclusively the former while some people drive the latter.
- tialaramex 3y ago
  Sure, but that's driver discretion, so it's a factor that we should be considering.
  - thfuran 3y ago
    That depends on exactly what you're trying to measure.
- bluGill 3y ago
  Abs has been mandatory in the us since 2012, and was very common long before that (my base model truck from 1999 has it) we can consider cars without abs statistical noise by now.
  - thfuran 3y ago
    >Abs has been mandatory in the us since 2012 The average US vehicle's age is more than 12 years. >and was very common long before that (my base model truck from 1999 has it) My non-base-model car from 1995 didn't. >we can consider cars without abs statistical noise by now. I'm not so sure that's true. But even if it is, that doesn't mean that there are no meaningful differences in safety between an exclusively new (or at least very recent) and maintained vehicle fleet and the general population.

by ra7 3y ago

lolinder 3y ago

I don't live in SF, but I was under the impression that Waymo's 24/7 operation is a relatively new thing [0]. EDIT: On further research, it looks like for Waymo this change only applied to when they could charge fares, so OP is correct that they were authorized to operate 24/7 [1]. [0] Article from August 10 of this year: https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/10/23827790/waymo-cruise-cpuc-vote-robotaxi-san-francisco https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/10/23827790/waymo-cruise-cpu... [1] https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/news-and-updates/all-news/cpuc-approves-permits-for-cruise-and-waymo-to-charge-fares-for-passenger-service-in-sf-2023 https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/news-and-updates/all-news/cpuc-appro...

ra7 3y ago
Nope. It was Cruise who gave rides only at night. Waymo has operated 24/7 since day 1. The only restriction has been who is approved to ride (they have a long waitlist).

thfuran 3y ago

>so I’m not sure how types of vehicles is relevant for the comparison. Surely "car with ABS and good tires" vs "car without ABS and with bald tires" makes a difference. And presumably waymo operates exclusively the former while some people drive the latter.

tialaramex 3y ago
Sure, but that's driver discretion, so it's a factor that we should be considering.
- thfuran 3y ago
  That depends on exactly what you're trying to measure.
bluGill 3y ago
Abs has been mandatory in the us since 2012, and was very common long before that (my base model truck from 1999 has it) we can consider cars without abs statistical noise by now.
- thfuran 3y ago
  >Abs has been mandatory in the us since 2012 The average US vehicle's age is more than 12 years. >and was very common long before that (my base model truck from 1999 has it) My non-base-model car from 1995 didn't. >we can consider cars without abs statistical noise by now. I'm not so sure that's true. But even if it is, that doesn't mean that there are no meaningful differences in safety between an exclusively new (or at least very recent) and maintained vehicle fleet and the general population.