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> I know everybody is in love with Microsoft these days because of Open AI The cognitive dissonance this provoked in me is astounding. The only people I've see

• upupupandaway 3y ago
  The stock market is happy with Microsoft and its relationship with Open AI. That is what I meant, mostly.
  • scubbo 3y ago
    Ah! An _entirely_ different claim than what I previously interpreted :) thanks for explaining
• omegabravo 3y ago
  it's cheaper than IntelliJ, and is more resource efficient believe it or not
  • 29athrowaway 3y ago
    Not cheaper. IntelliJ truly pays itself over a very brief period of time. Let's say a license is worth about k hours of development time per year. Over the course of 1 year, IntelliJ will save you much more than k hours of development time. On the other hand, you have VS Code, which needs over k hours to configure in order to get a fraction of what you can achieve with IntelliJ. You paid the same money in a different way and obtained less benefits.
    • mardifoufs 3y ago
      It takes 2mins, once, to install the required extension for your language and then you get to have remote dev and multi lang dev capabilities that you can't get on jetbrains no matter what. It also improves much faster than any jetbrains ide did in my experience. Just the terminal is so much better now on vscode, and hasn't changed at all on jetbrains (and it's not because it is already perfect either.) I'm sure it's better for java though, haven't tried that.
      • ruszki 3y ago
        I’m just curious, what are these “multi lang dev capabilities” which is in VSCode, but not in IntelliJ?
        • marwis 3y ago
          C++ + Java - can't have that in single JetBrains IDE
          • pjmlp 3y ago
            You can when paying for the Ultimate edition, which allows the installation of the other workloads as plugins.
            • marwis 3y ago
              Last time I checked there was no installable C++ plugin.
      • flir 3y ago
        > remote dev Do you mean what Gateway does, or something else? (I'm not a fan of the concept, but I think Jetbrains does it).
        • zwaps 3y ago
          Remote Containers which Jetbrains tried but failed to implement. It’s standard for many projects which is why you use vscode.
  • scubbo 3y ago
    > it's cheaper than IntelliJ I hear this argument regularly, which is confusing when IntelliJ is free? It _has_ a paid version, but in the ~7 years that my employer was paying for the Ultimate Edition, I never once used any of them. > is more resource efficient believe it or not Sure, anecdotally this does seem to be true (by the fact that I can have VS Code and Factorio open at the same time :P ). But the way you hear VS Code fans rave about it, you'd think there are oodles of extra functionality, not just "it's a little more efficient, but not so as you'd notice during the work day".
    • Freedom2 3y ago
      I definitely notice during the work day.
• rezonant 3y ago
  > Are there really thoughtful, mature people who think that Open AI is in any way positive? Anyone who thinks the AI developments are entirely positive and willfully ignores the downsides [information authenticity, spamming, abuse of copyright by the AI companies, the list goes on] might as well fall into that crypto/NFT cohort for me. > The most pro-Microsoft opinions I've seen have mostly been related to VS Code. I think it just stems from the fact that "new" Microsoft releases a lot of code as open source, and isn't out trying to sue everyone who looks at their intellectual property the wrong way. > Personally I don't get it - it's basically functionality-equivalent to IntelliJ As a heavy VS Code user, I don't really consider it a replacement for other IDEs. It just so happens that the "heavy" IDEs have always done a pretty poor job serving the frontend/backend Javascript stacks- which are the world VS Code was built for. I think of VS Code as "the IDE for Typescript" the way I think of IntelliJ as "the IDE for Java". You can certainly adorn VS Code with plugins and write Java in it, and you can certainly install some plugins in IntelliJ to do Javascript in it. But these won't be the ideal experiences.
  • scubbo 3y ago
    Very helpful perspective, thank you!
  • DrSiemer 3y ago
    What is the relationship between (I assume you mean generative) AI, which is the foundation for many useful new technologies, and NFT/crypto, which usually amounts to nothing more than a pyramid scheme style investment opportunity?
    • Hamcha 3y ago
      Your sentiment toward generative AI ("the foundation for many useful new technologies") is exactly the same that the crypto/NFT bros have towards crypto/NFT. So far generative AI has shown a couple niche use cases and a lot of surface level demos that don't actually work in the real world. Honestly it's hard to tell the current AI hype apart from all the other fads, tho this one at least feels like it will go somewhere