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Needs another option in the poll: > I don't believe Microsoft are trustworthy At the very least, it'd be a direct option for them to measure their brand damag

Needs another option in the poll: > I don't believe Microsoft are trustworthy At the very least, it'd be a direct option for them to measure their brand damage (thus far). That's something they should add to their exec compensation goals. ;)

shiroiuma 3y ago
If you don't believe they're trustworthy, then why are you trusting them with your valuable data by using their OS? I don't think they're trustworthy either: why would I trust a company that forces ads on me right in the OS, tries to force their crappy browser on me, and many more awful things? So, I don't use their OS. It's pretty simple. If you continue to use them despite supposedly not trusting them and being offended by their user-hostile treatment, then you're just rewarding their behavior.
- justinclift 3y ago
  > If you don't believe they're trustworthy, then why are you trusting them with your valuable data by using their OS? The very, very common reason for this is that it's an employer provided laptop. So the employee has no (reasonable) choice in the matter. --- That also often (but not always) comes with a locked down admin capability. So installing a different browser may not even be possible after the download. But that's a different issue. ;)
  - shiroiuma 3y ago
    >The very, very common reason for this is that it's an employer provided laptop. >So the employee has no (reasonable) choice in the matter. In this case, the point is moot: the employee should not be trusting his/her data to Microsoft, not because of MS itself, but because the computer isn't theirs. Even if the computer were running an OS they trusted, they shouldn't be putting their private data on there, because it's not their computer. Clearly, the employer trusts MS, because they selected them as their OS vendor, so the employee's opinion doesn't matter. If the employer's data gets stolen or whatever, that's the employer's problem, not the employee's. If you simply don't like the computing environment your employer provides you, find another employer, or just put up with it like you put up with other annoyances that come with employment. Every job is a compromise.
- xcv123 3y ago
  > If you continue to use them despite supposedly not trusting them No valuable data stored on the gaming PC
bruce511 3y ago
If you're picking Chrime over Edge for -trust- reasons, then I'm not sure what to say. Both Microsoft and Google are both trust-worthy (I trust them not to phone home with my bank login details) and untrust-worthy (I expect them to gather as much information about me as possible) to equal degrees. Both want to show me ads. Both want to track my behaviour. It's trivial to point to either and show multiple examples of egregious behaviour. So yeah, if you're choosing Google over Microsoft for -trust- reasons then I have a page of ads for you. The real reason I'm installing Chrome is simply because I use Chrome. It's a browser. My life is too short to waste time deciding which browser to use. They're all good enough. Of course I could switch to Edge. I just couldn't be bothered to.
- justinclift 3y ago
  Note that the question from MS is about "trying another browser" rather than "trying Chrome". The article itself is about the poll happening when a user tries to download Chrome, but the poll wording and behaviour seem like it may also be happening for other browsers too.
  - xcv123 3y ago
    No this is only happening for Chrome. No issues when downloading Firefox or Brave. I tried it on Edge/Win11.
    - justinclift 3y ago
      Interesting. That's good info. :)
    - RetroTechie 3y ago
      > No issues when downloading Firefox or Brave. I tried it on Edge/Win11. Did you file a bug report with MS?
- preciousoo 3y ago
  Well said, I’ll add that I use chrome because the UI loads snappily on every PC I’ve ran it on. High end to trash boxes. I have never seen edge run smoothly on a consistent basis. In fact I could say the same for most modern win apps.
29athrowaway 3y ago
The origins of MS-DOS Windows, Windows NT and successors, SQL Server, all start from some form of deceit and trickery. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0x https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0x - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_Server_Enterprise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_Server_Enterprise And now, GitHub (your code as a dataset), and Microsoft Pluton (your computer as a prison). We should however give them some credit for being one of the few companies that does something serious about accessibility.

shiroiuma 3y ago

If you don't believe they're trustworthy, then why are you trusting them with your valuable data by using their OS? I don't think they're trustworthy either: why would I trust a company that forces ads on me right in the OS, tries to force their crappy browser on me, and many more awful things? So, I don't use their OS. It's pretty simple. If you continue to use them despite supposedly not trusting them and being offended by their user-hostile treatment, then you're just rewarding their behavior.

justinclift 3y ago
> If you don't believe they're trustworthy, then why are you trusting them with your valuable data by using their OS? The very, very common reason for this is that it's an employer provided laptop. So the employee has no (reasonable) choice in the matter. --- That also often (but not always) comes with a locked down admin capability. So installing a different browser may not even be possible after the download. But that's a different issue. ;)
- shiroiuma 3y ago
  >The very, very common reason for this is that it's an employer provided laptop. >So the employee has no (reasonable) choice in the matter. In this case, the point is moot: the employee should not be trusting his/her data to Microsoft, not because of MS itself, but because the computer isn't theirs. Even if the computer were running an OS they trusted, they shouldn't be putting their private data on there, because it's not their computer. Clearly, the employer trusts MS, because they selected them as their OS vendor, so the employee's opinion doesn't matter. If the employer's data gets stolen or whatever, that's the employer's problem, not the employee's. If you simply don't like the computing environment your employer provides you, find another employer, or just put up with it like you put up with other annoyances that come with employment. Every job is a compromise.
xcv123 3y ago
> If you continue to use them despite supposedly not trusting them No valuable data stored on the gaming PC

bruce511 3y ago

If you're picking Chrime over Edge for -trust- reasons, then I'm not sure what to say. Both Microsoft and Google are both trust-worthy (I trust them not to phone home with my bank login details) and untrust-worthy (I expect them to gather as much information about me as possible) to equal degrees. Both want to show me ads. Both want to track my behaviour. It's trivial to point to either and show multiple examples of egregious behaviour. So yeah, if you're choosing Google over Microsoft for -trust- reasons then I have a page of ads for you. The real reason I'm installing Chrome is simply because I use Chrome. It's a browser. My life is too short to waste time deciding which browser to use. They're all good enough. Of course I could switch to Edge. I just couldn't be bothered to.

justinclift 3y ago
Note that the question from MS is about "trying another browser" rather than "trying Chrome". The article itself is about the poll happening when a user tries to download Chrome, but the poll wording and behaviour seem like it may also be happening for other browsers too.
- xcv123 3y ago
  No this is only happening for Chrome. No issues when downloading Firefox or Brave. I tried it on Edge/Win11.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    Interesting. That's good info. :)
  - RetroTechie 3y ago
    > No issues when downloading Firefox or Brave. I tried it on Edge/Win11. Did you file a bug report with MS?
preciousoo 3y ago
Well said, I’ll add that I use chrome because the UI loads snappily on every PC I’ve ran it on. High end to trash boxes. I have never seen edge run smoothly on a consistent basis. In fact I could say the same for most modern win apps.

29athrowaway 3y ago

The origins of MS-DOS Windows, Windows NT and successors, SQL Server, all start from some form of deceit and trickery. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0x https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0x - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_Server_Enterprise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_Server_Enterprise And now, GitHub (your code as a dataset), and Microsoft Pluton (your computer as a prison). We should however give them some credit for being one of the few companies that does something serious about accessibility.