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Speaking of hawkish persons, you're reducing what Craig terms "genocide" to war.

bawolff 3y ago
He's claiming that it is justified because israel might commit genocide at some unspecified time in the future, despite that being unlikely. It seems like a rediculous argument to me. Nobody has a crystal ball - you can't justify actions based on things that haven't happened yet. It seems more an attempt to deflect the criticism that hamas has comitted genocide. Was 9/11 justified because america might commit genocide in the future? Sure it hasn't happened yet but still might because time hasn't ended?
- ignoramous 3y ago
  May be you're right. I'm no expert. And I'm certainly not Craig to tell you just what their thinking was/is. > Nobody has a crystal ball - you can't justify actions based on things that haven't happened yet. Speaking of experts, see this piece by an Isareli historian Raz Segal (who's also a controversial figure, because nothing about this conflict is without controversy): https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
- Symbiote 3y ago
  Unlikely? The UN have already issued a warning: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-experts-decry-bombing-hospitals-and-schools-crimes-against-humanity https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-expe...
  - yutyut 3y ago
    This article is headlined and leads with an accusation about the recent hospital tragedy being due to an Israeli air strike. I believe that the preponderance of sources (neutral or otherwise) have attributed that explosion to a malfunctioning PIJ/Hamas rocket or missile .
  - bawolff 3y ago
    The press release is kind of undermined by using as its premise that israel targeted Al Ahli Arab Hospital despite there being significant evidence that it was actually a Palestinian group that did that. The article doesn't seem to be using an evidence based approach.
    - boffinAudio 3y ago
      Just for the record, there are also claims supported by evidence, that Israel did it. No conclusions should be made about that incident, either way. Other than the fact that innocent people are being slaughtered because of hatred.
      - reducesuffering 3y ago
        You fell for Qatari state and Hamas terrorist propaganda. All physical evidence points to a more minor event caused by a failed rocket within Gaza. Only the initial confusion caused the ridiculous claims of 500 dead and the entire hospital up in flames to spread. Do some light reading based on current understanding that isn’t Al Jazeera. “Israel, the United States, France, the United Kingdom, and Canada said that their intelligence sources indicate the cause of the explosion was a failed rocket launch by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) from within Gaza, while the PIJ has denied any involvement. Hamas said that Israel carried out an airstrike on the hospital. Most experts speaking in the days after the strike agreed with the Israel Defense Forces' analysis that a misfired Palestinian rocket launched at Israel from within Gaza and captured on video was the likely cause of the explosion.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_Arab_Hospital_explosion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_Arab_Hospital_explos...
      - _kbh_ 3y ago
        > Just for the record, there are also claims supported by evidence, that Israel did it. I've seen no convincing evidence that shows that Israel did it, the creator and damage size is way too small for any Israeli bomb or missile even airburst does not match the features found at the explosion.

He's claiming that it is justified because israel might commit genocide at some unspecified time in the future, despite that being unlikely. It seems like a rediculous argument to me. Nobody has a crystal ball - you can't justify actions based on things that haven't happened yet. It seems more an attempt to deflect the criticism that hamas has comitted genocide. Was 9/11 justified because america might commit genocide in the future? Sure it hasn't happened yet but still might because time hasn't ended?

ignoramous 3y ago
May be you're right. I'm no expert. And I'm certainly not Craig to tell you just what their thinking was/is. > Nobody has a crystal ball - you can't justify actions based on things that haven't happened yet. Speaking of experts, see this piece by an Isareli historian Raz Segal (who's also a controversial figure, because nothing about this conflict is without controversy): https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
Symbiote 3y ago
Unlikely? The UN have already issued a warning: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-experts-decry-bombing-hospitals-and-schools-crimes-against-humanity https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-expe...
- yutyut 3y ago
  This article is headlined and leads with an accusation about the recent hospital tragedy being due to an Israeli air strike. I believe that the preponderance of sources (neutral or otherwise) have attributed that explosion to a malfunctioning PIJ/Hamas rocket or missile .
- bawolff 3y ago
  The press release is kind of undermined by using as its premise that israel targeted Al Ahli Arab Hospital despite there being significant evidence that it was actually a Palestinian group that did that. The article doesn't seem to be using an evidence based approach.
  - boffinAudio 3y ago
    Just for the record, there are also claims supported by evidence, that Israel did it. No conclusions should be made about that incident, either way. Other than the fact that innocent people are being slaughtered because of hatred.
    - reducesuffering 3y ago
      You fell for Qatari state and Hamas terrorist propaganda. All physical evidence points to a more minor event caused by a failed rocket within Gaza. Only the initial confusion caused the ridiculous claims of 500 dead and the entire hospital up in flames to spread. Do some light reading based on current understanding that isn’t Al Jazeera. “Israel, the United States, France, the United Kingdom, and Canada said that their intelligence sources indicate the cause of the explosion was a failed rocket launch by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) from within Gaza, while the PIJ has denied any involvement. Hamas said that Israel carried out an airstrike on the hospital. Most experts speaking in the days after the strike agreed with the Israel Defense Forces' analysis that a misfired Palestinian rocket launched at Israel from within Gaza and captured on video was the likely cause of the explosion.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_Arab_Hospital_explosion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_Arab_Hospital_explos...
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > Just for the record, there are also claims supported by evidence, that Israel did it. I've seen no convincing evidence that shows that Israel did it, the creator and damage size is way too small for any Israeli bomb or missile even airburst does not match the features found at the explosion.