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Perhaps the bigger picture is that the corrected pay gap - not the uncorrected pay gap - is what so societies should focus on fixing. Which is more fair: * A

Perhaps the bigger picture is that the corrected pay gap - not the uncorrected pay gap - is what so societies should focus on fixing. Which is more fair: * A society where boys and girls are told they can't study in the field of their choice because of their gender because the government wants equal representation. * A society where boys and girls are free to study whatever they want, and are given equal pay for equal work.

runarberg 3y ago
I think you might be misunderstanding my and many feminist reasoning (or you might also just not agree with it, which is fair). Nobody is asking girls, boys, and non-binary kids to study one thing over the other, or to pursue a certain career over the other to fix the uncorrected pay-gap. Rather the focus is on removing systematic barriers which hinders certain careers from being valued as much others. It isn’t a coincidence that CEOs are being payed a ridiculous amount of money despite not contributing all that much, while nurses have to suffer austerity after austerity with their paycheck mirroring. These are examples of systematic barriers which feminists wish to remove. I know very few (probably none) feminists which are asking for equal representation among CEOs, rather they want CEOs to be valued for what they are, and instead the profit going to the workers. The corrected pay-gap isn’t a big deal in Iceland. I think they’ve even stopped measuring it because it was deemed a distraction from the equality that most people actually want. Instead some feminists in Iceland actually want to go in the other direction and look at the total wage gap (which also takes into account unpayed lost work).
- megaman821 3y ago
  What does that look like? Does the government just take over wage setting? I don't think bureaucrats could do that well. It is beyond human ability to take into account all the relevant variables to come up with a fair wage.
  - runarberg 3y ago
    While feminists largely agree on the problem (there are systemic barriers created by patriarchy) there is certainly less consensus around solution. My take on solutions involves dismantling capitalism. My take is not super realistic and other have more tangible options. But this is the reason there is a general strike rather then a petition to pass a specific bill. This strike in particular is not payed by the unions, but rather it is assumed that employers also want the same thing (equal pay) and participate by giving the striking workers their salary. Most actually do, but there are some that don’t. If you think you know the type of business that won’t give striking women their pay when they are fighting for equal pay, even when most businesses do, you are probably correct. So the organizers are actually planning on publishing a shame list (isl. Tossalist) naming the employers who don’t value gender equality, effectively exposing their pink-washing. I think the hope is that exposing them will make it easier to push them into doing better,
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runarberg 3y ago

I think you might be misunderstanding my and many feminist reasoning (or you might also just not agree with it, which is fair). Nobody is asking girls, boys, and non-binary kids to study one thing over the other, or to pursue a certain career over the other to fix the uncorrected pay-gap. Rather the focus is on removing systematic barriers which hinders certain careers from being valued as much others. It isn’t a coincidence that CEOs are being payed a ridiculous amount of money despite not contributing all that much, while nurses have to suffer austerity after austerity with their paycheck mirroring. These are examples of systematic barriers which feminists wish to remove. I know very few (probably none) feminists which are asking for equal representation among CEOs, rather they want CEOs to be valued for what they are, and instead the profit going to the workers. The corrected pay-gap isn’t a big deal in Iceland. I think they’ve even stopped measuring it because it was deemed a distraction from the equality that most people actually want. Instead some feminists in Iceland actually want to go in the other direction and look at the total wage gap (which also takes into account unpayed lost work).

megaman821 3y ago
What does that look like? Does the government just take over wage setting? I don't think bureaucrats could do that well. It is beyond human ability to take into account all the relevant variables to come up with a fair wage.
- runarberg 3y ago
  While feminists largely agree on the problem (there are systemic barriers created by patriarchy) there is certainly less consensus around solution. My take on solutions involves dismantling capitalism. My take is not super realistic and other have more tangible options. But this is the reason there is a general strike rather then a petition to pass a specific bill. This strike in particular is not payed by the unions, but rather it is assumed that employers also want the same thing (equal pay) and participate by giving the striking workers their salary. Most actually do, but there are some that don’t. If you think you know the type of business that won’t give striking women their pay when they are fighting for equal pay, even when most businesses do, you are probably correct. So the organizers are actually planning on publishing a shame list (isl. Tossalist) naming the employers who don’t value gender equality, effectively exposing their pink-washing. I think the hope is that exposing them will make it easier to push them into doing better,
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