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Judas goat
- slowhadoken 3y agoSounds like a metal band that covers Weird Al Yankovic songs
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- h2odragon 3y agojudas goats are valued employees. you can't just hire one off linkedin. from last year: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33655215 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33655215
- tycho-newman 3y agoThere's Judas Horses you know. And also: Bad Hooorse Bad Horse Bad Horse! Bad Hooorse!
- bwann 3y agoIn my younger times I used to go to a lot of livestock auctions with the family. There was always a goat just casually standing by next to the egress gate of the arena to lead these panicked animals out, walk back in, and they would always follow it out
- ackbar03 3y agooften confused with the scapegoat
- SkipperCat 3y agoGreat story about drug addicted Judas goats. https://www.agweb.com/news/livestock/beef/judas-goats-agricultures-bizarre-drug-addicted-masters-deceit-once-ruled https://www.agweb.com/news/livestock/beef/judas-goats-agricu...
- nicolas_t 3y agoI'm curious since the article doesn't mention it. What has replaced Judas Goats nowadays? It seems there would still be the same problem of leading the sheeps to slaughter?
- kozinc 3y agoWith pens and corrals, the animals can be moved naturally from one point to another, following the one ahead of them. There are specific ways to design facilities to move animals through slaughterhouses naturally. In some places they're still being used though.
- darkerside 3y agoCheck out Temple Grandin, the human Judas Goat
- RugnirViking 3y agoWhat do you mean by this? Im confused
- searchindex 3y agoTemple Grandin is the woman who got her PhD related to animal husbandry despite having autism then designed the humane method of leading cows to slaughter …her method is required in California but not all states are required to use it. Google the movie “Temple Grandin” it’s a cool movie
- nicolas_t 3y agoThanks for the movie recommendation! Sounds super interesting, will check it out
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- 13of40 3y agoIt's a quirky story, but I wonder if there are any human-life examples. Like getting invited to a special meeting where everyone gets donuts and coffee, then gets laid off?
- onetimeuse92304 3y agoSure. Sometimes instigators are seeded throughout a crowd (especially crowd of protesters) to get them to shout certain things or steer the protest in a certain way/direction. Humans also have vestiges of herd behaviour. For example, if one person decides to cross the intersection on a red light (especially pedestrian) then more people are likely to follow even if they would wait for green light otherwise.
- fifticon 3y agothe term for them is 'agent provocateur'.
- boffinAudio 3y agoSee also: MK ULTRA.
- verisimi 3y ago"vestiges" lol Going along with the crowd is foundational to being human - individuality doesn't come naturally.
- explaininjs 3y agoSocial media influencers who are paid to lead crows to buy products/services by acting like they are customers, despite never spending money themselves come to mind.
- 13of40 3y agoOne important point is that the judas goat doesn't know they're a judas goat, so as long the influencer just thinks they're living a rockin' life, but they were put in that position by someone who really knows what's going on, then I think this works.
- gumby 3y agoIt’s funny, Judas is used as an adjective in other contexts too, like a Judas gate, Judas hole or Judas window, the last often abbreviated as just “Judas”. Are there others? Then there was that short story by George R. R. Martin, “The Way of Cross and Dragon".
- tdeck 3y agoI had never heard of these and had to look them up: "Judas gate": A small door or gate (still large enough to pass through, I think) set into a larger door or gate (as in a factory). "Judas door": A small hole in a door through which a person can spy without being seen from the other side. Or sometimes also the same as the Judas gate. "Judas hole": A peephole
- themoonisachees 3y agoPeepholes are simply referred to as "Judas" in French, I don't think there's even another word for them.
- gattr 3y agoSimilarly in Polish ("judasz"). The more formal term is "wizjer", though that can also refer to "helmet visor" or "camera viewfinder".
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- Cthulhu_ 3y agoI wanted to look smart and find other uses of Judas, there's a bit of a rabbit hole: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Judas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/Judas For some reason, the term "Judas phone" redirects to the iphone 4 page. Judas pig, rat, sheep and steer all redirect to Judas goat. There's a Judas' Belt, a firecracker that would be strapped to a paper mache effigy depicting Judas.
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- JauntyHatAngle 3y agoWhich makes the name a bit of a misnomer - Judas knew what he was doing.
- tgv 3y agoSo: ad agencies?
- 13of40 3y agoI think the analogy would be that Jesus really was magic, but Judas was blind to it and living in a material state of mind where taking the 30 pieces of silver made more sense than continuing to follow some weirdo. If Judas was a true believer he would have realized that the wine and hookers he could buy with that would be less than useless compared to what he would get in heaven.
- Tabular-Iceberg 3y agoIf what Solzhenitsyn said about the line between good and evil is true, then it’s fully plausible that Judas could be a true believer but still betray Jesus. Same with Peter’s denial.
- mistrial9 3y agonot familiar with that (yet!) but.. I think Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment also touches on very gray areas and their cycles and consequences.
- krapp 3y agoMy reading of it is that Judas was a "true believer" in the sense that he came to doubt that Jesus was actually the Messiah, because so much of what Jesus did contradicted the popular ideal of what the Messiah represented. From Judas' point of view he was sending a heretic and cult leader to their justly deserved end. But the whole narrative was written after the fact to justify Christian claims of being the legitimate heirs to God's covenant and condemn the Jews as a people for "betraying Jesus" so expecting any degree of nuance beyond "Satan made him do it because Jews are greedy" is likely expecting too much.
- kapitanjakc 3y agoIs Judas goat same as Judas steer ? Or Judas goat is specifically for slaughter house
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- EdwardDiego 3y agoIn NZ, judas goats are used to find herds of wild goats for culling purposes. Their gregarious nature means they always lead you to a herd. It's a bit like hunting fallow deer here, don't shoot the white ones, just look around them for the rest of the herd in more camouflaged colours.
- choeger 3y agoI sometimes use the term for children in a joking manner. If you're a large male, especially if you sport a beard, you will probably experience that smaller children react to you with shyness or fear quite often. I have seen children crying when a young men entered their car. The small kid hiding behind their mother's legs is a stereotype born from real-life experiences. But the behavior often completely changes when that male person is accompanied by another child that isn't shy around them (e.g., their daughter). Apparently, there's a deep-rooted instinct in children that tells them "this one is a father and thus cannot be a bad person".
- spython 3y agoThe persons child can be seen as an interface to them. The same thing happens when people meet a person with their dog - they often interact with the dog first, as it is the easier interface than telling directly to an unknown human being.
- saiya-jin 3y agoMy first ever memory, at least in very subjective way, is of my late uncle leaning over the stroller. He didn't eve sport full beard, just proper black mustache, this was early 80s. I recall existential fear from that combination and of course I went bananas full power. Now as a father I know that kids don't form permanent memories until cca 2.5 years but this one is so vivid and detailed, and the whole setup must have been stroller otherwise whole memory doesn't make sense. I keep telling myself its not some invented memory or dream, but I'lll never know 100% truth. Yeah small kids don't like that stuff on strangers, maybe it moves the threat assessment into more wild territory.
- jefftk 3y agoPeople very occasionally retain earlier memories, especially of really strong experiences. Childhood amnesia isn't 100% consistent. It's also possible you were in a stroller despite being a bit older; this is something I see a lot. A kid in a stroller can be transported faster and more consistently than one walking.
- itronitron 3y agoThese days they could just call the goat an influencer
- badcppdev 3y agoThe wikipedia article links to San Clemente Island [0] I mention because I am constantly amazed at the area of land dedicated to the US Military. San Clemente Island is a 34 km long 147 km2 and shows traces of human activity dating back 10,000 years. Currently it's used as a live firing range and has a small naval installation on it. Not judging. Just amazed. 0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Clemente_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Clemente_Island
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 3y agoThe Marines regularly fire missiles from camp Pendleton, over the 5 freeway, into the island. Pendleton is more interesting than San Clemente Island though, in my opinion. It's miles and miles of beautiful prime real estate right on the Southern California coast, used for nothing but practicing amphibious landings, helicopter touch and goes, and firing missiles into the hillsides. You'd think the military could do it in a place that isn't nestled right next to the nation's second biggest metropolitan area.
- badcppdev 3y agoYeah ok that just leaves me more amazed. I think the military owns about 1% of all US territory measured by area.
- searchindex 3y agoSee my reply to the original comment
- searchindex 3y agoFederal land is ‘in trust for American citizens in perpetuity’. That means that in different years different generations will need or want different uses for the land that may seem counter intuitive, but there’s a method to the madness The EPA does not currently require 100% hazmat clean up of any offshore properties due to cost prohibitive clean up and lack of shipping and storage of contaminated topsoil …so islands are used for live fire ranges and given varying degrees of warm fuzzy land designations like ‘wild life refuge’ because they are not usually fit for human inhabitants and it costs money the more upkeep/stewardship an area needs …ie the most basic upkeep is fire suppression But because it’s federal land any entity that can challenge successfully for an activity permit can arrange ‘incidental takes’ and do permitted activities Unfortunately well-meaning eco non profits use their status to do ‘discreet land conveyance’ under the auspices of ‘creating wild life corridors’ … it’s a quick and dirty way of getting land owners who wouldn’t normally want to sell to the government but will sell to an eco non profit, who simply conveys the land back to the government anyway, while parcel swapping like trading cards to make ‘wild life corridors’ that often don’t work as intended. The government can’t currently afford the stewardship cost of all the lands that gets conveyed back, so counter intuitive uses are in effect to help pay …that’s how an island that can seem pristine can become a wild life refuge with degrees of hazmat-contaminated topsoil that gets target practice bombing on Tuesdays As for the historical artifacts, historical artifacts are managed via Section 106 of permitting, there are protocols of prioritizing artifacts so that we save what we can but build over if needed, otherwise we’d never get anything done if every burial ground was forbidden to use in perpetuity What usually makes headlines is when certain tribes complain about the Section 106 permitting, especially if it’s a national utility such as a fuel pipeline. National utilities get higher priority that allows for a ‘streamlined’ version of Section 106 permitting, much to the chagrin of people who don’t know or understand or use their citizen rights, responsibilities, and privileges to learn or change the process. As for military bases they are huge economic boosters for towns that have them, ergo when their mission changes, or when a different platform gets a higher priority and the bases close some towns try to fund raise to keep them open, but it’s rarely successful more than a few years. The bases may sit in various stages of disrepair for years before being refurbished for a different mission by the federal government or conveyed back to state/local government and re-purposed.
- Euphemistic 3y ago"The Judas goat is usually sterilized, outfitted with a transmitter, painted in red and then released." In humans there are evolved, instinctual mamalian brains that still act, react, and decide under some influence of amygdala hijack. Men and women, Men and children. Lone wolf men are still scary, and others are weary.
- mach1ne 3y agoThat last part reads like an activation phrase for a sleeper agent
- jvanderbot 3y agoA radio tagged fish that leads wildlife control teams to aggregations of invasive carp is also called a Judas fish.
- stef25 3y agoNow I'm wondering what a Judas Priest is
- qohen 3y agoA minced oath. From the term's WP page[0]: A minced oath is a euphemistic expression formed by deliberately misspelling, mispronouncing, or replacing a part of a profane, blasphemous, or taboo word or phrase to reduce the original term's objectionable characteristics. ...snip... Alliteration can be combined with metrical equivalence, as in the pseudo-blasphemous "Judas Priest", substituted for the blasphemous use of "Jesus Christ" [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minced_oath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minced_oath
- oldbbsnickname 3y agoJeep N Chrysler, dab nabbit.
- ahazred8ta 3y agoOh sweet cheese and crackers...
- Jeff_Brown 3y agoHeavy metal band name waiting to happen.
- tibbydudeza 3y agoThe snitch.
- belter 3y agoIs this the old name of Influencers?
- Ographer 3y agoOne of my favorite podcast episodes from radiolab is called Galapagos and it talks about Judas goats. I highly recommend it. https://radiolab.org/podcast/galapagos https://radiolab.org/podcast/galapagos
- thimkerbell 3y agoAnyone with a mobile phone can be one now.