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You sound like the advertising industry’s ideal consumer.

Obscurity4340 3y ago
All I care about is hanging out with "my friends" more, I guess I develop enough of an emotionally-compelling connection with shows/works + the characters/actors I like that I kinda never want it to end and its moot to consider the welfare of the characters or overall quality because its all abstract or academic anyway and I derive such sustained benefit or enjoyment from it continuing in perpetuity. Nothings getting solved or done or any progression truly achieved anyway so who gives a fuck? Film critics be damned, if Im happier and my mental health is better and I enjoy mysef on account of this, I really could care less about critical acclaim. Its the actors' job(s) to worry about consequences like typecasting or regret or whatever
- throw_pm23 3y ago
  You seem to be saying that you are a "non-discerning customer" when it comes to this type of work, and that's fine if it works for you. Others find works produced only for money to be lower quality or heartless. Maybe you similarly care about stuff in some other aspect of life (food? clothing? music? personal relationships?), just not for movies/comics.
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    I would argue that your discernment angle is literally just that in a similar sense with how critical theory folks approach works from various sociological and literary angles to the extent you could say those are component to the same work rather than ever possibly definitive or representative, much less appraisable objectively as implicitly superior. Like dividing by zero. Its not answerable and also discernment seemingly is axiomatic to the point its basically no different from religion or palate/taste.
    - syndicatedjelly 3y ago
      Random question, did you do policy debate in high school and/or college?
      - Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Nah, should I have? Also relevant username ;)
        syndicatedjelly 3y ago
        The last time I heard someone argue like you, was as the recipient of a negative case in a policy debate round 14 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_policy_debate_terms#Kritik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_policy_debate_term...
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
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        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        > This section does not cite any sources. (October 2020) Is there an actual article with more substance illustrating what you mean or what this section (#Kritik) was derived from? Also, I'm having a little bit of difficulty in parsing out your overall position with respect to what I've said (do feel I'm doing a bad job of it or what do you mean, exactly?) I definitely was using that (critical theory) as more of an example and only briefly analogizing rather than me trying to seriously argue from that vantage point specifically. Edit: are you saying "heard" as in you were there, or you know the details of the case through reading or maybe both? Whatever the case, is there an actual source available?
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Outside of you
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    I mean, I am discerning in that I have expectations that if I don't like the characters or topics or "moral tenor" (like in that it cares too much about being a moral bullhorn as opposed to faithfully representing that which it handles or has an opportunity to push the envelope further) or various other intangibles, I don't like+watch it. In my view, your position is a tad elitist and I don't particularly care for the way it places you on an implicitly superior level of comprehension but also fundamental worth in the context of this discussion. Arguably, I both in real-time and through the aformentioned repetition get to know the show and its constituent parts far better than you single-viewing "discerners" ever could. But yeah, you notice more even though you technically notice less. I'm inclined to suggest that you are literally the quantity over quality viewer (ie: non-discerning) and I am in fact the quality over quantity since I view less discrete works but notice and derive a more refined level of enjoyment and recognition of the subtleties present in any given artistic production (and the artistic part is not something I'm going to argue with you about; its intangible and as worthlesz or priceless as the viewer subjectively evaluates)
Obscurity4340 3y ago
Ackshually, I've further insulated myself from the advertising industry's influence or ROI far more than you could ever know and likely replicate personally. This is just so glib and lovechild-of-terse-and-misguided on so many levels I can't even get to the bottom of the pile. Lets just disagree to agree on this. Edit: Also you stay away from my miniature son and never come back ;)
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  Also, I feel like people who in some sense watch the same materials on repeat to varying extents are—dunno, maybe less valuable to ads than someone who's constantly perusing new shows (diversifying their ad profile). Its intuitive but im not certain i can logically defend it sufficiently robustly. "You know wat I mean"

All I care about is hanging out with "my friends" more, I guess I develop enough of an emotionally-compelling connection with shows/works + the characters/actors I like that I kinda never want it to end and its moot to consider the welfare of the characters or overall quality because its all abstract or academic anyway and I derive such sustained benefit or enjoyment from it continuing in perpetuity. Nothings getting solved or done or any progression truly achieved anyway so who gives a fuck? Film critics be damned, if Im happier and my mental health is better and I enjoy mysef on account of this, I really could care less about critical acclaim. Its the actors' job(s) to worry about consequences like typecasting or regret or whatever

throw_pm23 3y ago
You seem to be saying that you are a "non-discerning customer" when it comes to this type of work, and that's fine if it works for you. Others find works produced only for money to be lower quality or heartless. Maybe you similarly care about stuff in some other aspect of life (food? clothing? music? personal relationships?), just not for movies/comics.
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  I would argue that your discernment angle is literally just that in a similar sense with how critical theory folks approach works from various sociological and literary angles to the extent you could say those are component to the same work rather than ever possibly definitive or representative, much less appraisable objectively as implicitly superior. Like dividing by zero. Its not answerable and also discernment seemingly is axiomatic to the point its basically no different from religion or palate/taste.
  - syndicatedjelly 3y ago
    Random question, did you do policy debate in high school and/or college?
    - Obscurity4340 3y ago
      Nah, should I have? Also relevant username ;)
      - syndicatedjelly 3y ago
        The last time I heard someone argue like you, was as the recipient of a negative case in a policy debate round 14 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_policy_debate_terms#Kritik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_policy_debate_term...
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        []
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        > This section does not cite any sources. (October 2020) Is there an actual article with more substance illustrating what you mean or what this section (#Kritik) was derived from? Also, I'm having a little bit of difficulty in parsing out your overall position with respect to what I've said (do feel I'm doing a bad job of it or what do you mean, exactly?) I definitely was using that (critical theory) as more of an example and only briefly analogizing rather than me trying to seriously argue from that vantage point specifically. Edit: are you saying "heard" as in you were there, or you know the details of the case through reading or maybe both? Whatever the case, is there an actual source available?
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Outside of you
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  I mean, I am discerning in that I have expectations that if I don't like the characters or topics or "moral tenor" (like in that it cares too much about being a moral bullhorn as opposed to faithfully representing that which it handles or has an opportunity to push the envelope further) or various other intangibles, I don't like+watch it. In my view, your position is a tad elitist and I don't particularly care for the way it places you on an implicitly superior level of comprehension but also fundamental worth in the context of this discussion. Arguably, I both in real-time and through the aformentioned repetition get to know the show and its constituent parts far better than you single-viewing "discerners" ever could. But yeah, you notice more even though you technically notice less. I'm inclined to suggest that you are literally the quantity over quality viewer (ie: non-discerning) and I am in fact the quality over quantity since I view less discrete works but notice and derive a more refined level of enjoyment and recognition of the subtleties present in any given artistic production (and the artistic part is not something I'm going to argue with you about; its intangible and as worthlesz or priceless as the viewer subjectively evaluates)

Obscurity4340 3y ago

Ackshually, I've further insulated myself from the advertising industry's influence or ROI far more than you could ever know and likely replicate personally. This is just so glib and lovechild-of-terse-and-misguided on so many levels I can't even get to the bottom of the pile. Lets just disagree to agree on this. Edit: Also you stay away from my miniature son and never come back ;)

Obscurity4340 3y ago
Also, I feel like people who in some sense watch the same materials on repeat to varying extents are—dunno, maybe less valuable to ads than someone who's constantly perusing new shows (diversifying their ad profile). Its intuitive but im not certain i can logically defend it sufficiently robustly. "You know wat I mean"