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bounties are a good start but distributed unpaid work where even the correct solution might be rejected by the arbiter is a poor incentive method this is maske

bounties are a good start but distributed unpaid work where even the correct solution might be rejected by the arbiter is a poor incentive method this is masked by the fact that there is participation, but it’s excluding people that value their time. people possibly more skilled in solving the problem.

karaterobot 3y ago
As noted in the article, challenges like these are not unusual at all in other fields, and the "distributed unpaid work" is not considered unethical, perhaps because (as with FOSS development) it is entirely voluntary. And opening it up to non-experts is the point, it's not a bug—if the non-experts can do what the experts can't, the experts are generally happy about it because they benefit from the results even if they don't win the prize.
- yieldcrv 3y ago
  the commonality refutes nothing about my point let me merge it with your words: voluntary gambles exclude people that value their time, and waste the time of every party except the person chosen to be the winner
  - HPsquared 3y ago
    Such is life.
    - yieldcrv 3y ago
      There is a lot of active work on incentive models right now
  - karaterobot 3y ago
    So your point was just to make two value-free observations about challenges? I interpreted your comment as implying they were exploitative and unfair. Thanks for clarifying that you aren't saying that. I would make a small correction to your last message: challenges are not gambling in any sense of the word.
    - yieldcrv 3y ago
      > I would make a small correction to your last message: challenges are not gambling in any sense of the word okay, reworded since you are allergic to that one word: negative expected value games of chance exclude people that value their time who may be a lot more skilled given the validation of their time. this is a large population and there exists other incentive model for even better results. hopefully people sit down and consider competing incentive models that work for this specific market.

karaterobot 3y ago

As noted in the article, challenges like these are not unusual at all in other fields, and the "distributed unpaid work" is not considered unethical, perhaps because (as with FOSS development) it is entirely voluntary. And opening it up to non-experts is the point, it's not a bug—if the non-experts can do what the experts can't, the experts are generally happy about it because they benefit from the results even if they don't win the prize.

yieldcrv 3y ago
the commonality refutes nothing about my point let me merge it with your words: voluntary gambles exclude people that value their time, and waste the time of every party except the person chosen to be the winner
- HPsquared 3y ago
  Such is life.
  - yieldcrv 3y ago
    There is a lot of active work on incentive models right now
- karaterobot 3y ago
  So your point was just to make two value-free observations about challenges? I interpreted your comment as implying they were exploitative and unfair. Thanks for clarifying that you aren't saying that. I would make a small correction to your last message: challenges are not gambling in any sense of the word.
  - yieldcrv 3y ago
    > I would make a small correction to your last message: challenges are not gambling in any sense of the word okay, reworded since you are allergic to that one word: negative expected value games of chance exclude people that value their time who may be a lot more skilled given the validation of their time. this is a large population and there exists other incentive model for even better results. hopefully people sit down and consider competing incentive models that work for this specific market.