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> Rate-limited...at a quantity too low for a household that has a sinus infection running around. I don't think so. I actually buy this stuff for allergies bec

> Rate-limited...at a quantity too low for a household that has a sinus infection running around. I don't think so. I actually buy this stuff for allergies because it's the only thing that works for me and doesn't disrupt my sleep one way or another. I get 60 pills which are 2x what's in cold medication. I get that it's annoying but for an illness it's more than enough for a large family.

heavyset_go 3y ago
If you have two people who take it everyday for allergies, you've already hit your limit with 60 pills.
- wutwutwat 3y ago
  And yet still had enough for both of you, and that's if you both don't purchase the meds, and go to a 2nd store, or go to the same store the following day or week. 9 GRAMS every 30 days. The 20cnt box of Sudafed is 120mg pills, so 2400mg total, or 2.4 grams per box, and that's not all phseduo, which I think the 9 grams is only concerned with. So you'd have to look at how much of that 120mg is the limited material if that's the case. Assuming they mean the entire pill. That means every 30 days, each adult in your family can buy 3 boxes each (3.75 technically but I rounded down) from the same store. So 60 bills, to cover 30 days, per adult. How is that not enough for your daily single dose? 3 boxes just you can buy covers 2 adults taking it daily. This is where all the complaints that it's too restrictive fall apart. When you do the math, there is room to stockpile and STILL take it daily... The rate limiting is just that, limiting the rate, making it more effort to obtain mass amounts so it's more time consuming to gather up for abuse. The goal was never to stop meth production with the limit, it was to seriously slow it down, which it has, which equates to less of it overall on the streets. And the limits as we just calculated are more than a single person should need if taking the pill daily, which is the max allowed dose. So, it's not an issue, and we just proved it with math, now excuse me I have to go beat my own ass for saying we just proved something with math.
  - heavyset_go 3y ago
    > This is where all the complaints that it's too restrictive fall apart. When you do the math, there is room to stockpile and STILL take it daily... And yet innocent people still get arrested and have their lives upended and/or ruined because they accidentally violated pseudoephedrine regulations. When that's happening, it's because the regulations are too restrictive.
    - nkozyra 3y ago
      > And yet innocent people still get arrested and have their lives upended and/or ruined because they accidentally violated pseudoephedrine regulations. I'm curious to know if you have any examples of this because I can't find one.
      - heavyset_go 3y ago
        This was posted on this submission: https://reason.com/2009/09/30/put-down-the-cold-pills-grandm/ https://reason.com/2009/09/30/put-down-the-cold-pills-grandm... More: https://reason.com/2009/09/28/hoosier-grandmother-arrested-f/ https://reason.com/2009/09/28/hoosier-grandmother-arrested-f...
        akerl_ 3y ago
        Those two links are the same one person.
        heavyset_go 3y ago
        I know. The second link contains more info than the first.
      - jrockway 3y ago
        It seems that the major pharmacy chains keep records and will refuse to sell it to you before you reach the limit that would trigger a misdemeanor. But, if a law is never enforced, it should be deleted. Otherwise, one day you decide you don't like someone's political views, and suddenly they are the first case of purchasing 9.1g of Sudafed in a single 30 day period. Dead code is just waiting to be a security incident.
- nkozyra 3y ago
  At a decongestant dosage this will last two people two months. And of course if the second person is 18+ they can also buy that. I'm not advocating that the limits are good, just that a single person is very unlikely to hit them for allergies, periodic illness or asthma (it's also available as a prescription for allergies)
  - jrockway 3y ago
    The legal limit is 9g per 30 days, and the recommended dose is 7.2g per 30 days (=240mg/day). So if both parents take the maximum dose, there is none for the kids. (3 people would need 21.6g; both parents together could buy 18g.) Personally, I don't take it at night, so I wouldn't run into this problem, but the existence of 240mg "24 hour extended release" tablets leads me to believe that someone else must. (I'm a little jealous that they can sleep with it in their system. It would be nice!)
    - nkozyra 3y ago
      > the recommended dose is 7.2g per 30 days (=240mg/day) 30-60mg, and this is not recommended for more than 7 days for sinuses It's actually a fairly significant dose already.

heavyset_go 3y ago

If you have two people who take it everyday for allergies, you've already hit your limit with 60 pills.

wutwutwat 3y ago
And yet still had enough for both of you, and that's if you both don't purchase the meds, and go to a 2nd store, or go to the same store the following day or week. 9 GRAMS every 30 days. The 20cnt box of Sudafed is 120mg pills, so 2400mg total, or 2.4 grams per box, and that's not all phseduo, which I think the 9 grams is only concerned with. So you'd have to look at how much of that 120mg is the limited material if that's the case. Assuming they mean the entire pill. That means every 30 days, each adult in your family can buy 3 boxes each (3.75 technically but I rounded down) from the same store. So 60 bills, to cover 30 days, per adult. How is that not enough for your daily single dose? 3 boxes just you can buy covers 2 adults taking it daily. This is where all the complaints that it's too restrictive fall apart. When you do the math, there is room to stockpile and STILL take it daily... The rate limiting is just that, limiting the rate, making it more effort to obtain mass amounts so it's more time consuming to gather up for abuse. The goal was never to stop meth production with the limit, it was to seriously slow it down, which it has, which equates to less of it overall on the streets. And the limits as we just calculated are more than a single person should need if taking the pill daily, which is the max allowed dose. So, it's not an issue, and we just proved it with math, now excuse me I have to go beat my own ass for saying we just proved something with math.
- heavyset_go 3y ago
  > This is where all the complaints that it's too restrictive fall apart. When you do the math, there is room to stockpile and STILL take it daily... And yet innocent people still get arrested and have their lives upended and/or ruined because they accidentally violated pseudoephedrine regulations. When that's happening, it's because the regulations are too restrictive.
  - nkozyra 3y ago
    > And yet innocent people still get arrested and have their lives upended and/or ruined because they accidentally violated pseudoephedrine regulations. I'm curious to know if you have any examples of this because I can't find one.
    - heavyset_go 3y ago
      This was posted on this submission: https://reason.com/2009/09/30/put-down-the-cold-pills-grandm/ https://reason.com/2009/09/30/put-down-the-cold-pills-grandm... More: https://reason.com/2009/09/28/hoosier-grandmother-arrested-f/ https://reason.com/2009/09/28/hoosier-grandmother-arrested-f...
      - akerl_ 3y ago
        Those two links are the same one person.
        heavyset_go 3y ago
        I know. The second link contains more info than the first.
    - jrockway 3y ago
      It seems that the major pharmacy chains keep records and will refuse to sell it to you before you reach the limit that would trigger a misdemeanor. But, if a law is never enforced, it should be deleted. Otherwise, one day you decide you don't like someone's political views, and suddenly they are the first case of purchasing 9.1g of Sudafed in a single 30 day period. Dead code is just waiting to be a security incident.
nkozyra 3y ago
At a decongestant dosage this will last two people two months. And of course if the second person is 18+ they can also buy that. I'm not advocating that the limits are good, just that a single person is very unlikely to hit them for allergies, periodic illness or asthma (it's also available as a prescription for allergies)
- jrockway 3y ago
  The legal limit is 9g per 30 days, and the recommended dose is 7.2g per 30 days (=240mg/day). So if both parents take the maximum dose, there is none for the kids. (3 people would need 21.6g; both parents together could buy 18g.) Personally, I don't take it at night, so I wouldn't run into this problem, but the existence of 240mg "24 hour extended release" tablets leads me to believe that someone else must. (I'm a little jealous that they can sleep with it in their system. It would be nice!)
  - nkozyra 3y ago
    > the recommended dose is 7.2g per 30 days (=240mg/day) 30-60mg, and this is not recommended for more than 7 days for sinuses It's actually a fairly significant dose already.