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Good. For once I’ll agree with the governance in Utah and say we should ban social media for kids until they are 18.
by huytersd 3y ago
Good. For once I’ll agree with the governance in Utah and say we should ban social media for kids until they are 18.
- sneak 3y agoWhy is it okay for a 19 year old but not a 17 year old? If they’re bad, they’re bad for adults, too? If they’re not inherently bad, then they can be safely used by responsible 16 year olds as well as responsible 18/19 year olds? We let 16 year olds operate deadly machinery traveling at many meters per second. Social media is at least less potentially harmful than automobiles.
- dymk 3y agoBecause at some point you decide that some threshold is useful to have, and stop sealioning on the internet about it
- voisin 3y agoThis is the first I’ve heard the term sealioning. Just looked it up and man, it feels like one of those foreign words that perfectly describe something that we encounter all the time. Thanks!
- robertlagrant 3y agoDoesn't seem to relate to the Wikipedia definition: > Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity, and feigning ignorance of the subject matter
- voisin 3y agoWell, I agree it isn’t the perfect context but it isn’t wholly out of left field either, depending on the user’s interpretation of the previous poster’s quibbling over age.
- robertlagrant 3y agoI don't think so. No one was asking for facts/evidence.
- ViktorRay 3y agoI disagree that the poster you replied to was “sealioning”. It seems he was using rhetorical questions to try to make an argument. Basically he was following The Socratic Method. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method Essentially using questions to challenge assumptions in the form of argumentative dialogue. This is a legitimate form of having a debate and it has been used for thousands of years. To compare it to the internet trolling practice of sealioning where somebody just asks for evidence repeatedly is disingenuous
- robertlagrant 3y agoAgreed. If something like "sealioning" is first order bad faith argumentation, this falsly accusing someone of doing it, hoping observers don't notice the difference, is second order bad faith.
- dymk 3y agoIt's a bunch of rapid-fire questions about a topic that's been well trodden, and on top of that just a bunch of whattaboutisms. It's classic sealioning.
- millzlane 3y agoHow many 16 year olds learned to steal cars from social media?
- resonious 3y agoIs this the social media's error or the car manufacturer's error? Or maybe it's really law enforcement's error?
- justinsaccount 3y agoOr maybe the parents and every other adult in the lives of these children that failed to teach them that stealing a car is wrong, no matter how easy it is?
- millzlane 3y agoI agree with it being a part failure on the parents. But let's be honest. Even kids raised in good homes can be shitheads or influenced by them. It makes sense why some of my friends parents didn't like their kids hanging with us. I get it now...If I had kids, I too would probably make prejudice judgments about shitty parents and wonder if I should let my kids hang with them knowing they are unsupervised or in a place with immature guardians.
- 15457345234 3y agoThe adults in these childrens lives don't have the same level of access to these kids as the people on social media. Parents are only human, they can only be 'on' so many hours of the day. The phone and the neverending stream of toxicity is always there waiting for every free moment.
- millzlane 3y agoI think the video stayed up too long. Normally you would learn shit like that from your older cousin who learned it from someone in Juvi or your uncles lock picking magazine. Now-a-days you can literally learn it on youtube or from the dark corners of discord chats.
- clnq 3y ago> machinery traveling at many meters per second Such as a bicycle. And not a car, in almost every country in the world.
- izzydata 3y agoSocial media is also bad for adults. It's a lot harder to prevent adults from making bad choices for themselves than it is for kids.
- adamsb6 3y agoSo no kids on Hacker News? How is HN going to verify my age?
- jjoonathan 3y agoJanuary 1st Club, Reporting In.
- j-bos 3y agoI used to think they'd get suspicious, so I used 03/02/01
- huytersd 3y agoKYC for social media
- heavyset_go 3y agoThe law in Utah exists to prevent young people from communicating with like-minded peers in communities like r/exmormon or r/lgbt. The issue is billion dollar companies manipulating people for profit, not that people are able to communicate with each other over the internet. It's entirely possible to host communities that aren't corrupted by investors who want 1000x returns on their investments. However, the Utah law defines social media as any online forum belonging to a site with more than 5m users that allows people to register accounts and interact with others[1]: > (9) "Social media company" means a person or entity that: > (a) provides a social media platform that has at least 5,000,000 account holders worldwide; and > (b) is an interactive computer service. > (10)(a) "Social media platform" means an online forum that a social media company makes available for an account holder to: > (i) create a profile; > (ii) upload posts; > (iii) view the posts of other account holders; and > (iv) interact with other account holders or users. The law uses broad strokes to ban much more than just social media, it bans any group or community that might belong to a parent site that has a moderately-sized user base. In effect, the law isolates anyone under 18 who might want to find community outside of their potentially abusive or extremist parents. [1] https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title13/Chapter63/13-63-S101.html?v=C13-63-S101_2023050320230503 https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title13/Chapter63/13-63-S101.html?...
- huytersd 3y ago[flagged]