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How exactly they cared about surface? It was a premium toy that was never perfected for pros (these huge displays they discontinued) or e-waste (all 4gb go mode

How exactly they cared about surface? It was a premium toy that was never perfected for pros (these huge displays they discontinued) or e-waste (all 4gb go models). It cost twice for any minimal reasonable hardware configuration. It had insanely impractical weird IO (minidp from 10s in 20s) and fabric palm rest. It was targeted to push in enterprises where their sales noses are so deep they sometimes don’t even need to bribe CEOs to push their sales initiatives. Even corp drones refused to use it and returned to HP. Who even need this stand contraption for work? Who need touch on Windows? May be people just buy macbook AND ipad for the same price? They cancelled RT hardware without any delay while windows 10 mobile can run fine. What they did with surface phone? Right, dropped android support like a cheap chinese factory. Do you want to fix your out of warranty 3 yo surface? No sane technician will take it, even if you told him how MS is in (love) with right to repair. Surface is a joke. Well may be .NET developers can use it because how easy it is to develop LOBs with new .NET tools and how productive you feel all the time working with new cool features of C#.

O1111OOO 3y ago
> How exactly they cared about surface? I think I found someone who dislikes Microsoft more than I do. Nice to meet you:-) LOL Seriously... you are mostly correct about the hardware deficiencies, I won't argue this. The surface line started off very badly but... it engaged. To this date, I don't think you can even get Linux running on any of them w/o some effort. Mine's was a quick comment and had more to do with Microsoft redefining the hybrid Tablet/Laptop market. It was, I think the only time that I could recall, when they finally took the lead on something. Some hiccups, of course, but overall an industry defining success. It was odd - for me - to see Microsoft leading the field in anything. I always saw MS as a company that envied someone else's innovation and tried to replicate that success. From Office Programs early on, AOL competitor, VisiCalc/Lotus 1-2-3 competitor, Gaming, Browsers... the list is nearly exhaustive. Even small things like sound formats, image formats... they needed to upend someone else's established format and replace it with their own. Even their original OS - DOS - wasn't theirs but a hacked version of someone else's effort. I'm certain you know their history (comment meant for some others reading this). Finally with Surface, they designed and helped re/define the Tablet/Laptop market in a design pleasing way. They also added Surface Studio - which I thought was very effective. I remember seeing videos on their thought processes, who they consulted when they created Surface Studio. After years of envisioning brutes, they presented themselves as polished professionals during these formative 'Surface' years. Just wanted to expand on my previous quick comment for clarification.

O1111OOO 3y ago

> How exactly they cared about surface? I think I found someone who dislikes Microsoft more than I do. Nice to meet you:-) LOL Seriously... you are mostly correct about the hardware deficiencies, I won't argue this. The surface line started off very badly but... it engaged. To this date, I don't think you can even get Linux running on any of them w/o some effort. Mine's was a quick comment and had more to do with Microsoft redefining the hybrid Tablet/Laptop market. It was, I think the only time that I could recall, when they finally took the lead on something. Some hiccups, of course, but overall an industry defining success. It was odd - for me - to see Microsoft leading the field in anything. I always saw MS as a company that envied someone else's innovation and tried to replicate that success. From Office Programs early on, AOL competitor, VisiCalc/Lotus 1-2-3 competitor, Gaming, Browsers... the list is nearly exhaustive. Even small things like sound formats, image formats... they needed to upend someone else's established format and replace it with their own. Even their original OS - DOS - wasn't theirs but a hacked version of someone else's effort. I'm certain you know their history (comment meant for some others reading this). Finally with Surface, they designed and helped re/define the Tablet/Laptop market in a design pleasing way. They also added Surface Studio - which I thought was very effective. I remember seeing videos on their thought processes, who they consulted when they created Surface Studio. After years of envisioning brutes, they presented themselves as polished professionals during these formative 'Surface' years. Just wanted to expand on my previous quick comment for clarification.